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[–] VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You heard from it this guy. Bombing hospitals is not a war crime if there's a bad guy near there.

[–] SCB@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is literally true.

Specific protection of medical establishments and units (including hospitals) is the general rule under IHL. Therefore, specific protection to which hospitals are entitled shall not cease unless they are used by a party to the conflict to commit, outside their humanitarian functions, an "act harmful to the enemy". In case of doubt as to whether medical units of establishments are used to commit an "act harmful to the enemy", they should be presumed not to be so used.

Emphasis mine.

[–] Natanael 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Proportionality is another factor you're ignoring.

They're also still required to attempt to limit targeting to avoid civilian casualties and yet they don't

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They do limit targeting. How many strikes are you seeing in the south as compared to the north? That's a limitation and shows proportionality. You folks may not like it but this is categorically not a war crime.

[–] Natanael 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It has to be applied per individual attack, not per region

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Correct which is why your entire narrative is false because they never told civilians to go to a specific place. Dig into it. This is exactly what I mean when I call this stuff propaganda. It's stretching the truth and inviting you to draw your own conclusions from warped facts.

[–] Natanael 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] galloog1@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will put it quite simply. You cannot provide an example where the IDF told Gaza civilians to go to a specific place, only places where they should not go.

[–] Natanael 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your sources literally don't show where they told them to go, only to leave Gaza City and head south. Try again and this time actually read your sources for literally any point at which they gave specific guidance.

[–] Natanael 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ok a map is apparently not specific guidance enough for you, and therefore nobody can be held liable for killing civilians using a route they were told to use according to your logic. How did you end up this broken?

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, the site didn't load for me. The issue here is that of time. You are showing guidance from the beginning of the conflict and no further guidance after our included in the row. That location was not the end of movement. It's selective information you are being shown and a great example of deceptive imagery.

There should be no civilians left in Gaza City right now unless they are choosing to ignore the guidance wholesale or they run the risk of Hamas using them as shields which we absolutely have seen.

[–] Natanael 1 points 1 year ago

This is inhumane nonsense

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How do you take out the enemy? Answer the question. Your perspective is not useful when you have no alternative. They cannot access the tunnels without an explosive. Name a full conflict where civilian infrastructure was not hit when taking a city.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The alternative is "you don't", but for some reason you don't seem to even consider that there might be a cost in civilian lives too high to kill a handful of terrorists.

[–] guacupado@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So how many festivals are you okay with being attacked? Apparently 260 per isn't high enough for you.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

As if the conflict started on October 7th and hasn't been going on since even before Hamas existed.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Israel has killed far more Palestinian civilians since October 7th than Hamas killed on October 7th. Like 10x the amount.