I'm always confused at how people think communism and democracy are opposites. The indoctrination is crazy. They're not even the same category of thing. Communism is an economic model where democracy is just about how leadership is decided. They can exist in the same country at the same time.

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Communist theory explicitly tries to dispel the idea that political and economic structures are separate things. As such, communists intend to create democratic structures that can distribute resources in place of undemocratic market relationships which empower owners of capital.

Liberalism on the other hand believe that market relationships are inherently democratic. Therefore they may think that any attempt to replace them with a planned economy are undemocratic regardless of how such planning would be decided upon.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ahhh right, but that's not to say that the types of underlying structures aren't interchangeable. Are you saying that communism is necessarily democratic?

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, most communists and especially Marxists believe communism must necessarily be fully democratic. It’s certainly true though that there is much debate about what types of democratic structures to use. Although most communists would probably agree that it would require a lot of trial and error to find an ideal system.

That said, communists generally seek to disenfranchise owners of capital from the decision making process up until the point they no longer exist as a class. Therefore in the transition to communism, full democracy may not be realized. This is the given reason for why Marxist Leninist countries generally suppress opposition parties but may allow for political affinity organizations around identity groups that suffer under capitalism, ie worker, youth, women’s organizations, etc.

[–] Mango@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So is the idea that the dictator scene is supposed to be an in between step?

[–] cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Well Marx used the term “dictatorship of the proletariat” to describe how a transition would work in opposition to what he saw as the “dictatorship of the bourgeoisie”.

However, if you’re talking about people like Stalin or Mao, you’ll find self proclaimed communists with a wide variety of opinions on the subject. That’s in part because gets difficult to sort propaganda from the truth of the matter. I also mean both western and communist propaganda. To have a guy going by “Joe Steel” as the leader of your republic of socialist workers councils isn’t exactly a subtle attempt to get buy in from working class people.