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Isn't being that insecure stereotypically feminine behaviour - ya know... Kinda gay?
If you want to be gay, be gay. If you want to be a bit gay, be a bit gay. if you don't, that's totally fine too - Just stop worrying about crossing some arbitrary line into... what?
If cleaning up after yourself leads to you railing some dude, the cleaning up was never the problem, and maybe you just opened yourself up to something wonderful.
It sounds like you're trying to apply reason to the perception of behaviour as masculine, feminine, straight or gay, and the perception of those categorisations as positive or negative.
That is misguided :)
I'm just applying the same type of nonsensical stereotypes this group will display to show that this is gay behaviour too, and the entire discussion is moronic. I say this as a cishet guy that went to a boys school and heard all this nonsense regularly.
Just clean up your shit - if that somehow leads you to discover your love of men, roll with it... you were almost certainly always gay, and that's something to embrace not fear.
Yeah, but "applying the same type of stereotypes" is an example of trying to reason about this kind of thinking which can't be done. You see a parallel between worrying about something silly like how you're perceived for being green, and other stereotypically feminine behaviours - but prejudiced people don't see or don't care about that parallel.
Those prejudiced people aren't likely to be browsing !/gay - my comments weren't for their benefit.
Do you think you're having more success bringing prejudiced people around in here than I am, or do you think there might be reasons to post here that aren't for the benefit of the prejudiced?
Sure, but I don't know what you're getting at.
If we're not posting for the benefit of the prejudiced, there's no particular need to...
...or worry that
My understanding was exactly that you were reasoning about that kind of thinking - hence the start of that sentence, "It sounds like you’re trying to apply reason..." ;) If not I don't understand your original comment!
More a case of applying their rationale to demonstrate that it's not based in reason.
Fair enough. It certainly isn't - but I think it's worth understanding and emphasising that prejudice is never based on reason.
I generally agree, but would also argue that adopting and showcasing their broken reasoning is more effective than simply saying they're not basing their views in reason. It also has other benefits...
For example, if you speak to a Nazi, they'll accurately point to disproportionate Jewish representation in banking and media. There's a (ultimately irrelevant) factual point underpinning their bullshit, and my approach avoids the need to track back through their endless layers of bullshit and misinterpreted nuggets of truth to prove the lack of reason.
It's concise, and means you don't need to wade through the ghish gallop of nonsense
The ridicule pokes at the key motivator of non-reason-focused people - emotions
The slight edginess appeals to reactionaries, who tend to view progressives as fragile little snowflakes they'd never align with.
It's more entertaining.
Mmm, makes sense. I will look out for when people are showing inconsistent reasoning rather than arguing with it.
Diversity of tactics 😉
I don't understand your first line at all.
Being so insecure about whether or not you're perceived as feminine/gay is hella gay. As in, super closeted and desperately trying to deny the truth by any means kind of gay.
I'm dating another man. I don't know any gay guys who worry about this.
Does insecurity so crippling it stops you from cleaning up after yourself when camping seem well aligned with the stereotypical ultra-masculine archetype to you?
Of course it's ultimately all nonsense and stereotypes - but that's really the point - this arbitrary "that's gay... and that's a problem" nonsense just draws lines people fear to cross and limits their freedom for no benefit.
Idk anything about that. I was in scouts all the men I know mostly go by the motto leave only footprints.
And I think that's a fine and good principle to live by.
Shhhh, we're trying to convince these guys that it's less gay to save the environment!