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[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

"We could reduce the speed limits for cars to be closer to the average speeds of walking (6 kilometres per hour"

Geezus christ. I'm guessing the author has no idea what it's like to be a parent.

Here's a hint: kids need to go places. Public transport cannot get you to those places. Also, parents need to work (both of them) or else the kids don't eat. As a parent I'm flat out busy from sunrise to midnight, and they want me to take the 1 hour I spend commuting each day and expand it to five hours. That doesn't work:

  • get the three year old ready for school (this can be ten minutes or an hour, so you better start getting ready an hour before you need to leave)
  • walk to the bus stop (five minutes for me, but with a two year old... twenty minutes, not necessarily walking but you need to allow for that much time which means you'll spend a lot of it waiting at the bus stop)
  • bus to daycare, 20 minutes as it winds through the suburbs
  • drop the kid off at daycare, then wait for the next bus (30 minutes later)
  • bus out of the suburbs onto the main bus line (another 20 minutes meandering through suburbs)
  • finally, on the main bus line to the CBD (20 minutes)
  • then 15 minutes waiting for a bus out of the CBD towards where I work
  • then 15 minutes on that bus

Unfortunately... you can't get a 3 year old to eat breakfast at 5am and the childcare centre won't let you drop them off at 6am either. So that schedule means starting at work at around 10:30am. Ouch.

And in order to get home in time for the kid two have dinner without throwing a tantrum... I'd probably need to leave work at 2pm.

Sorry but it's just not possible to work 3 hours a day and pay a mortgage/put food on the table/etc.

[–] arran4@aussie.zone 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Would you support public transport improvements?

[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Of course I'd support better public transport.

But I'm not really sure what form that would take? The bus from my house to the childcare centre obviously drops us off there when the bus is scheduled to do so, which means I will always face the longest possible wait for the next bus to come by. It only takes two minutes to drop the kid off... but the bus driver isn't going to wait.

And it's pretty normal for public transport to not go to where you're going unless you're going to or from the CBD. That means changing busses.

I could live in the CBD... then transit infrastructure would be great - but the realestate there is way out of my reach, price wise.

[–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

how we can upgrade PT:

  • higher bus frequency
  • bus route reform (some current routes really suck)
  • more bus lanes on congested routes
  • more bike infrastructure so you don't have to ride a bus/car/train to get anywhere
[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The user here is a known car-brained troll. They have a long history of opposing better urban planning.

[–] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I had a scroll through their history and couldn't really find any evidence of trolling - but I might not have gone back far enough. Have you got any examples of them trolling you could point us at?

[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah I have no idea where that came from. For the record, I own two bicycles, use them frequently and my car use is limited to when there's at least two people or I need to transport something large/bulky, and I use public transport whenever it makes sense. Which, sadly, isn't very often.

Motorbike is my main form of transport... but taking a young child on a motorbike is illegal in Australia.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So, it turns out it's from a different user account, but with the same username, on a different instance. I would be shocked if it's not the same human being behind it.

But here's one thread where they've done it before. They deliberately insert themselves into conversations choosing to throw ridiculous straw men around in an attempt to pretend that car-brain is normal and good urban planning practices are absurd. Troll tactics, through and through.

[–] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Thanks for following that up, I agree it would be very surprising if they are not the same person. And in the other thread it did appear they were trolling, bringing up the "there's bigger problems" Bob Katter style argument.

On another note, I've got no idea what being car-brained is but I assume its an insult, so please refrain from such language since insulted people don't argue well.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Wiktionary definition isn’t bad.

First and foremost, car-brain refers to the individual expression of a sociological problem more formally known as "motornormativity". It’s the state of being unable to envision a world different from the one we currently live in, where everything gets designed around cars to the exclusion of more efficient forms of transport like public transportation and cycling. It’s an opposition to the idea of walkability in practice, if not necessarily in theory (someone might say they like walkability, but then oppose specific measures which would increase walkability, like zoning changes, increasing footpath width by decreasing road width, decreasing speed limits, and adding modal filters).

It’s also the tendency to blame "pERsoNaL rESPoNsibiLiTy" for traffic crashes, and disregard systemic issues that lead to increased chances of crashes occurring. But also to excuse the personal behaviours that cause the crash to happen in other circumstances, while being overly critical of non-drivers exhibiting the same behaviours. Any time you see someone say "cyclists ignore stop signs and run red lights!" That’s motornormativity, and the individual saying it is deeply car-brained. Especially if they do it in a context of talking about better cycling infrastructure or pro-cycling laws, as a way to imply "no, we shouldn’t make things better for cycling". Not only do studies suggest cyclists break the law at roughly the same rate as drivers (yet you never see these people complain about all the drivers who do it and suggesting that therefore we should make driving harder), we also know that when cyclists break the law, they’re far less likely to endanger others than drivers are; indeed, cyclists who break the law frequently do it to increase their own safety, while drivers break the law to increase their own convenience.

That’s only a small slice of how motornormativity presents in our society, but hopefully it’s a good enough primer. Here’s a pretty good article on the subject.

[–] unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

That article gives an interesting perspective on the issue, thanks for that

[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your list of barriers to not using a car are all a result of poor urban planning which is rife in the majority of our cities. If we had stopped the sprawl 30 years ago then car dependence could have been mitigated.

Guess I'm one of the lucky ones in that I can walk kids to school and daycare (less than 1km) then cycle to work easily (less than 10km).

[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Guess I’m one of the lucky ones in that I can walk kids to school and daycare (less than 1km) then cycle to work easily (less than 10km).

Yeah our local daycare centre isn't well run and unfortunately, so we had to go to the next suburb over. My partner and I don't work close to each other so... we live about half way between our two jobs. Can't really get any closer unless one of us switches careers. When I do have time to ride the bicycle to work (try to do it once a week) it's 70 minutes. Normally I take the motorbike.