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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm starting to think this was the goal of Hamas the entire time. They never expected to win against Israel, but they knew they could provoke the sort of over response that would get the world to react to their war crimes.

[–] Dwalin@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The world reacts all the time. I remember at least 2014 in my country everyone praying for Gaza. The west is always slow to react to the genocide they create.

Venezuela has always spoken badly of Israel since they did a genocide and help far right genocidal rulers in south America. The world knows that Israel and the US have colonialist foreign policy no matter the party in charge.

Even Bernie Sanders hasn't condemned Israel.

The US and Israel have been, are and will be morally wrong in the eyes of the world for centuries to come.

[–] skizzles@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just want to point out that Bernie Sanders did condemn them for their actions. While he admits that they have a right to defend themselves (which is fair) they absolutely do not have the right to outright slaughter innocent people amounting to a genocide. Which is what they are doing.

That being said I agree with everything else you said.

[–] BMatthew@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wake me when Bernie calls for a ceasefire and a diplomatic solution.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Dwalin@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The headline is very misleading.

Mr Sanders said what’s needed now is a two-state solution to the crisis and for “the world to come together to give hope to the Palestinans.”

He also said in another statement that the most important task now is to stop the bombings.

[–] Dwalin@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, his first statement was that Israel had the right to defend itself. That was all he said, then the backlash came and he came out with another statement.

To me, that says a lot. It was a big disappointment personally.

[–] Vqhm@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wake me when hamas releases the hostages instead of just doubling down on saying we'll invade again and kill more civilians.

The diplomatic solution requires both sides to lay down their arms and stop attacking each other

[–] BMatthew@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Uhhh, yeah, that’s what a ceasefire is. You ask both sides to stop.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Well, Israel certainly schooled Hamas on senseless murder of Innocents. What is it now, 7 times as many (or 14 times, adjusted for population ratio) ?

"An eye for an eye" was a few thousand ago.

[–] Dwalin@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Still didn't call for peace. Which is a HUGE disappointment

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago

Yes hamas intentionally tries to create situations where Israel either kills civilians or does nothing.

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas's war crimes are definitely getting a mild reaction from the world this time. Just a reminder that based on the Geneva Conventions it's not actually a war crime to target hospitals or civilians being used to shield military targets. It's only a war crime to use them in such manner.