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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (52 children)

Socialism has consistently failed to do that too because it can't handle outside influence from foreign powers. Let's just freely distribute technology and let people farm for themselves again doing that. Highly organized societies are nothing but slave mills.

[–] unfreeradical@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

Arguably you are simply suggesting that a population may manage land usage cooperatively.

I would not find much promise, though, in lack of organization. Lands and other resources are finite, and many will want to have a lifestyle or occupation that is urbanized, requiring food to be shipped into cities.

For conflict over land usage not to escalate into harm, it may seem necessary that those affected by its usage participate in organization.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Then let's just kickstart human expansion into space so resources and land can be unlimited. That would be the only highly organized society you could convince me is legitimate.

We have more than enough land mass for every single human being to have at least one acre to themselves and then some right now, though. We just can't distribute it evenly because humans are apes that form dominance hierarchies and control over the land goes to the dominant apes. Only when humans are genetically engineered to be egalitarian will it ever change, so I guess our debate is pretty moot.

[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So how do you distribute it fairly?

What if I a shitty piece of land with rocks in it? And my neighbor has a nice productive piece of land?

Good luck resolving these kinds of disputes

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Give people the technology to meet their needs and survive happily regardless of the surface of the land they're given. Land that cannot be built on is cut out of the equation. Vertical farms are used to grow crops instead of direct land cultivation. Water is provided in accordance with user use and if there isn't enough, more is desalinated. Electricity and homeostasis maintenance is achieved with technology attached to the house.

Divvy up land by plains and fields first, then extend from there. Even land in the middle of fucking Siberia can have comfortable housing and farming done on it with the right technology. If it's too cold or too hot, dome it over. Even the fucking ocean can have artificial islands or floating platforms constructed on it. No one has to go without territory.

It doesn't have to be hard.

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