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Current events in Rohingya I'd classify as genocide. Uyghur falls within the definition of genocide as does Darfur in 2003, Congo in 2002, Zaire in 96 and absolutely Rwanda in 94.
In the modern day United States the largest genocide is never talked about, the California Genocide against the Chumash. The population of 4,500 was completely enslaved and killed. By 1900 only 200 Chumash were alive (today the population has increased to 5,000).
We'll go with the first.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41566561
So, Myanmar claimed they were targeting terrorists, but there was lots of civilians deaths which caused noncombatants to flee their homes or risk being killed... Which meets the Geneva Conventions definition of genocide as it's ethnic cleansing.
To me, that sounds like what's going on in Gaza.
Can we talk about how you feel these are different?
I legitimately want to work through this, but I might not be replying as fast as this morning.
First reports are always wrong. I've already said that.
What does that mean?
If a woman reports her own rape, it never happened? Because she's the first to report it?
And why do you think the UN was the first to report?
They're an international organization of multiple governments. They don't make these reports off hand, the quote talks about things from 2017 in 2020, that's three years later, how is that a "first report"?
Are you saying you've changed your mind now and Rohingya isn't a genocide?
It means the first report of anything is always wrong. Details, time of events, witnesses, what actually happened is always wrong when first reported. Generally everything you hear in the first report is wrong and you should always wait until details become clear.
But you said that about a 2020 article talking about a genocide that started in 2017...
Is three years not enough time for details to become clear?
If that's true, today is 11/6, about a month after 10/7, why do you already have such solid opinions on that?
The first report of it being about terrorism was found to be untrue.
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Which is what the government commiting the genocide said...
But that's not the point. The point is the reason it's a genocide, is the same thing Israel is doing.
Are you trying to make the case that no one should believe Israels initial claim that everyone they kill is justified by terrorism? Because that's where your logic is going, but that's the opposite position you've had this entire thread.
That was the first report, it was wrong, as always. It's clear the attacks on the population were targeted to wipe them out. No one is arguing that.
Now can you prove Israel is doing that, because multiple reports have shown evidence that it isn't. They do desire to relocate the entire population, but not wipe them out. Both sides of this conflict are in the wrong but both sides have been fighting the same conflict for thousands of years. There is absolutely no reason both groups couldn't live together in harmony if the populations wanted it to.
You've literally admitted that they're using "forced relocation" by making the area unsafe for civilians which is what also got your first example of a genocide, designated a genocide...
Now you're saying they're not?
Can you not name a single difference between the two genocides and why that makes only one a genocide?
Without repeating that you never believe initial reports while at the same time repeating Israels initial reports as gospel?
Population transfer is not genocide.
So what made Rhingya a genocide?
What is different?
You trying to lead them by the nose to a sane position/definition for genocide, and them just being intentionally obtuse, basically saying "nu-uh" over and over...
Painful to read. Kinda frustrating to see a moderator behave that way. I appreciate your effort though.