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At least 13 people have been killed in a blast outside Gaza City's biggest hospital, the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza says.

BBC Verify has verified graphic videos showing badly injured and possibly dead people lying outside the hospital.

The Israeli military has confirmed it struck an ambulance that it says was being used by Hamas operatives.

It did not say where the air strike took place.

"An IDF aircraft struck an ambulance that was identified by forces as being used by a Hamas terrorist cell in close proximity to their position in the battle zone," it said in a statement.

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's an interesting question, because normally forcibly evicting an entire nationality would be genocide. But is it genocide if it's evicting the colonizers? What if it's been 50 years? A hundred?

I'm not sure one way or another, it's just interesting to think about.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago

But is it genocide if it's evicting the colonizers? What if it's been 50 years? A hundred?

Yes. To all of them yes.

Like if it was 1946, there's be no question that supporting the partition plan Britian was working on would be a bad idea.

But to call for the return of the land to Israeli would be the equivalent of calling for the return of the Dakotas to the Lakota in 1960/70s (during the AIM movement). Or calling for the eviction of all whites from Oklahoma in the 1970/80s.

That's about the same 70-80 year timeframe from "original sin" to today that we have going on in the West Bank.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That is indeed tricky.

But I don’t think WE can find the solution. Only the people who suffered the injustice of colonialism can say what is “enough justice”. Only they know what would help mend the wounds.

(Of course there are some extremist violent minorities in the resistance, but most Palestinians would agree they just want a land and freedom).

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The original reason for a Jewish state, before it got corrupted by extremism, was to live in peace and be respected, instead of constantly persecuted and killed. That may have been true in the 1800s, but I'm not sure if it still is. It certainly doesn't seem like it's enough to really stop it. That original reason is also a bit ironic considering what most Palestinians want.

Perhaps the best solution would be to form a unified state with a secular government that fiercely protected the ethnicities living in the country. That I think would displace the fewest people.

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No ethnostate can exist with peace. Jewish people are safer in the US than in Israel. And that was also true after WW2.

Creating a COLONIAL settler apartheid state where a bunch of people already lived? That is fucking dumb.

[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Typical British colonial thinking, I agree. The ethnostate made sense at the time it was first discussed. This was Russian revolution era, so the European states were each effectively ethnostates.