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Quote: "We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do it again and again. The Al-Aqsa Deluge [the name Hamas gave its 7 October onslaught - ed.] is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth. Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs."

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[–] stmcld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As we speak israel just bombed an ambulance convoy full of injured people. And then, not long later, the indonesian hospital in gaza was damaged even more by the israelis.

Where are the people screaming that Palestinians should make peace right now? Make peace with WHOM?

They either make peace and end up like the West bank or defend themselves and end up like Gaza. They should never make peace.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's no peace for the region so long as the Palestinian identity continues to exist. Everyone knows it, none less than the Israelis.

Even if Israel were truly of mind to "make peace", far too many Palestinians remember the deals reneged on from the previous generation between Israel and the PLO. The origin story of how al-Mujama transitioned into the militant Hamas. When the best possible treatment Palestinians could get from Israel was wage slavery, settlement, total dependence on foreign aid, and not even having the right to travel freely. Second-class residents, not even citizens, in their own homelands. And the idea that anyone would have more faith in Benny than Peres or Shamir is sort of laughable.

The outcome of this may as well be carved in stone. Israel will do to Palestine as was done to so many other victims of colonialism. Corner and oppress the people who were of the land until none of their childrens' children can remember a time when it was their land. Turn any injustices into notes from history, to be discussed and studied but never repaired.

But hey, the planet is dying either way I guess.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social -5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's not what the word "apologist" means.

To apologize for something is to defend it. It's indefensible. Israel is going to wipe these people out, systematically, just as they've been doing since before nearly any of us were alive. There's only one thing Israel could do to lead to lasting peace in the region and that is give back the land. Anyone who thinks that is going to happen is delusional.

Anything less than returning people to their homelands is just going to lead to continuing violent resistance.

[–] laylawashere44@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're being cynical not an apologist.

I guess, but arguing that they only have the (false) dichotomy of committing genocide or disappearing is pretty close to it.