this post was submitted on 31 Oct 2023
399 points (91.1% liked)

World News

39032 readers
3127 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

The Israeli army fired artillery shells containing white phosphorus, an incendiary weapon, in military operations along Lebanon’s southern border between 10 and 16 October 2023.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] grte@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Elected how many years ago? What was the average age in Gaza, again?

If we want to talk about elected governments, the genocidal Israeli government has much more legitimacy in claiming it represents it's constituents.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Literally no one is questioning Israel's legitimacy in government except Hamas. Nobody here in this thread is anyway.

You still missed the point though as they are not doing collective punishment. Collateral damage is not collective punishment.

[–] grte@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The point was you keep mentioning Hamas as an elected government even though that is laughable at this point, whereas the people of Israel seem to be pretty on board with genocide.

As for collective punishment, I think the entire population of Gaza has been suffering collective punishment for years, but certainly the moment Israel cut off food, power, and water they were engaging in collective punishment. Like really obviously, you'd have to be either really dumb or really dishonest to say otherwise.

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 6 points 1 year ago

He’s Israeli, it’s in his material interests to pretend his country isn’t doing exactly what they publicly admit they’re doing.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree that Hamas should not be the government of Palestine and that the people would have difficulty removing them even if they wanted them gone. Who do you suggest should do it? I still do not understand what the legitimacy of the Israeli government has to do with the legitimacy of the Palestinian one.

Israel is at war right now. Certainly, the literal laws have changed to that of armed conflict. Making claims against it that do not cite international laws that they are signatory to are irrelevant. I don't think understanding the legal status of the conflict is me being dumb or dishonest. It certainly shows that I may not be talking on the same level of education or experience. That's the funny thing about the internet. You never really know exactly who or what you are talking to.

[–] Sunforged@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas became the leadership in Gaza because Isreal funded religious extremism that became Hamas to oppose the PLO, part of which was the secular democratic socialist Fatah party led by Yassar Arafat.

Isreal is responsible for the violence and more violence will not end this conflict unless genocide is the goal.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, that's why relations immediately soured between them when the election was over? There is no possibility at all that what you are saying was the intended result or effect of Israel even if true.

This narrative is also completely fabricated to decrease Palistinian autonomy. Yasser Arafat's death is largely considered to be what caused the instability. Your narrative only works to continue the narrative that the Palistinians should not have a sovereign state more than any distrust of Israel.