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You cannot use overall homicide rates as an indicator for mass shootings.Of course a high homicide rate is a problem in itself, vut it is a different quality, when two drug gangs shoot each other up over a deal gone wrong than someone just running into a school killing two dozen kids
Good think the source is specifically mass shootings?
And yes you can treat one countries overall homicide rates as relevant to anothers... Just because you lower gun related incidents doesn't mean that it actually affected much of anything when those numbers simply transfer to other forms of homicide. Rates in general have been going down overtime in all "western" countries... at effectively the same rates... Gun laws have not made any significant effect as far as I've ever seen.
Except EVERY source cited against anything I've ever said has ALWAYS been "well theres 600+ mass shootings in the USA this year"... when there's like 20 that are actually school related. And yeah 20 is bad and sad... but when other countries have 1 or 2 and we're 10x+ bigger than those countries... it's literally on PAR per capita.
Well my coubtry has about one school shooting every 7-10 years and we have 84 Million people
So either Turkey or Germany.
I will assume Germany...
As of 2021 has an intentional homicide rate of 0.8 currently... (https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/DEU/germany/murder-homicide-rate random quick google)
We see a blip UP in 1995 and a leveling out starting around 2008... and a jump in 2016... and a downward trend again.
Which is basically the same as the USA.. https://www.statista.com/statistics/187592/death-rate-from-homicide-in-the-us-since-1950/ (random quick google)
The trend has been downwards at a slow pace everywhere... (lets ignore the covid timeframe overall... That's a different issue and we all know that it is). None of it lines up with ANY restrictions on guns. So if banning things doesn't trend the line down more than the overall world is already trending down... Then overall homicide didn't change outside of the typical trend. It stands to reason that banning the guns in that case didn't save any lives... Just shifted the deaths to other forms of death, and only took away your right to have guns...
All data taken from Wikipedia.
The US compared to the UK has had ~13.6 more shootings and ~29.4 more injured/dead in the last 23 years.
The population in the US is ~5 times bigger than in the UK. I would not call that it’s literally on PAR per capita, I would call that a whole lot more.
UK population: 66,971,411
Mass shootings:
US population: 333,287,557 (~5 times more than in the UK)
Mass shootings:
I cannot find similar data from Europe as a whole.
Sources:
United_States (Wikipedia)
List of mass shootings in the United States (Wikipedia)
United Kingdom (Wikipedia)
List of mass shootings in the United Kingdom (Wikipedia)