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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's hard to go against them in the West.

The right hate Muslims so side with Israel.

The left hate to be called antisemites, so hand-wring over civilian deaths, but ultimately side with Israel.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Who are these voices on the "left" that you say are supporting Israel?

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] neeshie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] HaggierRapscallier@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago

True, but effectively on the political stage, he is the opposition. Understandable that non-politically online people/normal people call him left.

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agreed but you're splitting hairs. My grandparents who voted for Biden aren't really "the left" either.

My ex who i've convinced to switch sides on this issue but is too afraid to say anything publicly because she doesn't think she knows enough of the history to take a stance isn't really "the left", but she voted Biden too.

Pretty much all of the Democratic leadership except Ilhan Omar.

They're not leftists but they are "the left"

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The "viable left" I suppose.

Jeremy Corbyn wasn't that left either, yet you go to one Hamas Terrorist funeral, and suddenly you're a terrorist sympathiser and out come the photos at election time.

Sure, you can be left in the West, but not in a way where you'll get even a sniff of power.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://labour.org.uk/updates/press-releases/keir-starmers-statement-to-the-commons-on-israel-gaza-2/

And this is where you accuse anybody right of being a full communist of not being left enough, so we can save ourselves that interaction.

[–] Ferrous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Keir Starmer?

Everything I read about this dude characterizes him as abandoning left wing policy in favor of center, center-right policy.

4th paragraph of his wikipedia page

His leadership has been characterised by movement towards the political centre and abandonment of the left-wing platform of his leadership campaign, as well as by opposition to some of the government response to the COVID-19 pandemic and issues such as Partygate

I just think it's strange for you to insinuate that the position of the left is that of Israel's.

[–] rivermonster@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago

Probably conflating support Israel's right to exist, as supporting their current and past war crimes. Which is not the same thing. But for an anti-Israeli argument is a convenient false construct.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 year ago

No one on the left is hand wringing over the civilian deaths but ultimately siding with Israel. Literally no one.