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We had two mass shootings in the UK and banned guns, no mass shootings since. Same in NZ and Australia.
Factually wrong. Most recent was 2023...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom
Why lie?
Most recent 2023
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_New_Zealand
More lies...
Most recent 2019
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
And batting 3 for 3 in lies! Each country has absolutely had mass shootings since they banned guns. Claiming "No mass shootings since" is just lying. At least be honest when you argue your point please.
I wouldn't expect you to understand statistics, but 1 per year versus 620 is noise ya jabroni.
UK still has shotguns, but no hand guns or semi automatic rifles.
There have been no mass killings on the scale of Dunblaine or Hungerford since banning those weapons.
But please carry on with your denial
2023 - 1 so far... 2022 - 2 2021 - 3 2020 - 2
So even after letting you move the goal-post from NEVER... you moved it to 1 per year... and STILL got it wrong even though I gave you the source.
But that's not the point I was even trying to make... The homicide rate in the UK was virtually unaffected for each weapons ban enacted. All that's happened is that murders that would have been conducted via gun, just happen in other ways now. Also keep in mind that nearly all of the "western" world has been on a downtrend at the same rate for a long while now on homicides/murder/violent crime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_United_Kingdom#Legal_classification
You sure about that captain?
Pistols...
Rifles...
I'm starting to think you might not even know the laws in your own country... Forget the USA...
Dunblaine
1996 - 15 injured 18 dead.
Hungerford
1987 - 15 injured 17 dead
Nothing since 1996 on that scale? You sure? Did you read anything? 2 June 2010
Cumbria, England 13 dead 11 injured.
Forget that the original firearms act of Britain was set in 1968. So it all happened while guns were banned... everything since then has been amendments to the act (1988, 1997 were amendments). There were also other legislation in 2006 (so before 2010 mass shooting), 2012, and 2019.
Well done, you've managed to find the three worst crimes of the last 50 years. About a week's worth of deaths in America. Do you think you're proving your point by highlighting how rare mass shootings are in the UK?
Can you join the dots now and see that when gun ownership is restricted there are far fewer shootings?
America's fucked, there's more guns than people, there's no way back, just thoughts and prayers and fear.
Dude... are you capable of following a conversation? YOU posted the first 2... and said there's been nothing since then. I showed you one other that was after that is the same scale.
If you can't even follow your own conversation you truly are hopeless.
Doesn't matter. UK proved that you can't stop all gun related deaths. And even accounting for that UK overall homicide rate hasn't decreased any faster than any other "western" country INCLUDING the USA.
No fear here. Just idiot who project it from overseas it seems.
So it's all or nothing? 🤡
1/620
0.16%
Even accounting for population it's still blatantly obvious to anyone with half a brain that guns = shooting
And the US knife killing rate is still higher than the US. Just a bit more murdery I suppose. But then us Europeans shipped all the religious nutters out to the US for a reason
Ah yes... cherry pick the statement.
Literally followed right after. Clown harder.
Lol, the US homicide rate is 7x the UK. Explain that
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Man, you're funny. Trying to twist 620% more shootings as what exactly?
Sure... Gangs and drug trafficking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_population
Specifically from Central and South Americas. The SHEER number difference between the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS vs how many you got over there in the UK?
Never been to Glasgow then?
Nope I haven't... Been all over Germany and Poland, also incidentally to Romania and Ireland in a very limited fashion. But I did eventually find an answer to my own question...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_in_the_United_Kingdom
Which translates to about 5 per 10000 people are in a gang in Britain...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_population
Which translates to about... 42 per 10000 people are in a gang here in USA...
So a 5-6times increase in homicide lines up basically perfectly.
Edit: whoops used the wrong number initially... it's much higher...
So you think having more guns is the solution?
Taking them away certainly isn't... Criminals don't care about laws... That's kind of the definition.
It's the American way, only do the right thing after you've exhausted every other option
I'm not tracking. You think that taking guns away will somehow make the 1.4 million people abstain from gang violence?
What does the evidence say? I'd bet that taking guns away leads to less gun deaths.
It's weird that nobody banged on about gun rights until the black panthers did.
Not shit sherlock. But taking guns away doesn't lower homicide rates. Odd that you can reduce gun deaths but not reduce deaths overall isn't it?... At this point we're talking in circles. I've covered this so many posts ago with you.
Not sure how this is even remotely relevant.
https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act
Yes... I know who and what the Black Panthers are and the history around it...
What's the point of bringing this up in this conversation? How is this relevant to ANYTHING we're discussing?
We're talking about gun control
Says the fuckwit who just spewed this:
I never met anyone carrying a gun who wasn't a cop or a licensed hunter over here in europe and it's great.
The horrorfreakshow in your head must be a huge burden
Cool story, crypto-bro. Lemme guess, you fancy yourself a real "alpha-male" too, right?
Mm k there psycho, I hope violence befalls you and yours as well.
Ohhh and so witty, too! Ladies, watch out, this one's the whole package!
He said without bringing in a single source
UK has had 3 mass shootings in the 2020s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2020s_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom
US had 620 just in 2020 alone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2020
Don't hurt your back carrying that goalpost, you might have to start accepting that you're wrong if you can't move it around anymore!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
If you're going to compare gun related homicides, the US has more than 20x as many as the UK (in 2017 and 2015 respectively)
I'm not sure what you mean, but if you're trying to say that if we include all homicides that the US would somehow have less murders overall...
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country
The US has more than 4x as many homicides overall with almost 90% of those being gun related. US could save a lot of people if they weren't so intent on their little murder toys.
I see you don't know how to read sources. That explains a lot, hehe! I guess it explains why you haven't posted any of your own. Clearly we are done here.
By all means, show me the FBI stats that state that 80% of all murders in the US happen without guns!
Misinformation is claiming some BS without any proof. Which is what you're doing, mister man!
Meanwhile... 4 posts up...
You can't be that mad at the guy for doing it when you did it too...
It's right in the sources... 4.56 gun related homicide rate, 4.96 total homicide rate. It's from different years but it's not gonna be that different.
Come on.