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Libre Culture

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What is libre culture?

Libre culture is all about empowering people. While the general philosophy stems greatly from the free software movement, libre culture is much broader and encompasses other aspects of culture such as music, movies, food, technology, etc.

Some beliefs include but aren't limited to:

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I've looked into the ways other forums handle rules, and I've distilled their policies down into two simple ideas.

Libre culture is a very very broad topic, and while it's perfectly okay for a conversation to stray, I do ask that we keep things generally on topic.

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The fact that the regime went after Swartz even though the university did not want to press charges clearly demonstrates this was a malicious prosecution. Furthermore, as somebody else in the thread notes, this isn't the first time a person being prosecuted by the regime ended up committing suicide. Seems like a bit of a stretch to claim that two random people just happened to have predisposition to suicide.

Your argument is based on the assumption that the legal system in US is fair and equal. This is clearly contradicted by mountains of evidence to the contrary. Apply the same logic you would apply if this case happened in China.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The fact that the regime went after Swartz even though the university did not want to press charges clearly demonstrates this was a malicious prosecution.

Why? To be clear, MIT adopted a neutral stance.

Seems like a bit of a stretch to claim that two random people just happened to have predisposition to suicide.

Doesn't seem like a stretch to me. It's not like people who are susceptible to suicide are unheard particularly rare. They get confronted by the prospect of a prison sentence. Maybe they're not thinking so clearly. They then kill themselves. I'm perfectly willing to take the system to task when it hands out absurd punishments, but how is that the fault of the justice system?

Your argument is based on the assumption that the legal system in US is fair and equal.

The system isn't equal, but Aaron Swartz was not the type of person that the system is biased against.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Why? To be clear, MIT adopted a neutral stance.

What was the goal of the prosecution?

Doesn’t seem like a stretch to me. It’s not like people who are susceptible to suicide are unheard particularly rare.

You were literally just telling me this is rare in a previous comment:

There are obviously greater systemic problems with the US’s prison system and treatment of people post-prison, but millions of people go through that ordeal without committing suicide.

So which is it?

The system isn’t equal, but Aaron Swartz was not the type of person that the system is biased against.

Seems to me that political activists like Swartz are precisely the demographic that the system is biased against.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What was the goal of the prosecution?

From what I understand, Aaron planted a laptop in an MIT networking closet and had it slurping down journal content. That's just not okay. Presumably they didn't want to let him off without some consequences.

So which is it?

Given the number of people going through the justice system, some are going to be suicidal. Now could you answer the questions I posed: "how is that the fault of the justice system?" and "Would you have ever consider possible suicide as a top factor?"

Seems to me that political activists like Swartz are precisely the demographic that the system is biased against.

It's mostly biased against people who live in poverty. They are often unable to mount an effective legal defense. Technically the state is supposed to supply a public defense lawyer if the accused cannot afford one, but public defenders are notoriously overworked. This has led to a situation where public defenders often push the accused to take plea deals regardless of guilt simply because they lack the time to put together an effective defense. Aaron Swartz would have been able to raise an effective legal defense.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

That’s just not okay. Presumably they didn’t want to let him off without some consequences.

Seems like the university, who would presumably be the victim here, seemed ok with it. What message in particular do you think the regime was trying to send by going after such activity?

Given the number of people going through the justice system, some are going to be suicidal.

And they just happen to be political activists.

It’s mostly biased against people who live in poverty.

People in poverty are exploited as slave labor. US drug laws in particular are designed specifically to round up poor minorities so that they can be enslaved. This is a pretty well documented fact by the way. However, that's far from the only demographic that the regime goes after. People like Swartz are prosecuted because of their ideas, and it's absurd to claim they can mount an effective legal defence against the power of the regime.