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TIL that the judge in the Carroll rape case clarified that Trump did rape Jean Carroll
(www.washingtonpost.com)
this post was submitted on 24 Oct 2023
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I thought about that, but since guilty isn't only a legal term and commonly implies responsibility for wrongdoing in general and the judge is clarifying trump is responsible for raping carroll regardless of the legal term used, naming his guilt is appropriate and perfectly accurate.
He is guilty in the ordinary sense. But "found guilty" is technical vocabulary for criminal courts.
It is a common phrase within and without jurisprudence.
People say I'm guilty, he's guilty etc but it's unlikely to hear "they were found guilty" outside of jurisprudence, and to say that when referring to a judicial trial and then say you meant a lay term when the professional term exists is a bit lax.
I wouldn't say "WiFi" in place of "internet" while referring to an IT problem for example.
Less common outside of jurisprudence, sure. The term is purposefully in my personal TIL body text rather than the title where I kept things succinct and formal. Using a different term doesn't change his guilt of rape, or that a jury legally found him liable for rape and a judge definitively found him guilty of rape.
It was found that he raped someone, he is guilty of rape, but a judge did not find him guilty of rape. Why do you insist so much on muddling the definitions of these things? It's not good for democracy or the judicial process to use terms randomly and without definition.
Let's help you along.
The judge cited definitions offered by the American Psychological Association and the Justice Department, which in 2012 expanded its definition of rape to include penetration “with any body part or object.”
Using the definition of the word rape, the judge declared trump guilty of rape.
Having used definitions, this "judge definitively found him guilty of rape".
You may personally be more familiar with other uses of the words "definitively", "judge", "guilty", "found" or "rape", but their usage here is in no way inaccurate or untrue.