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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why anyone is taking sides in this is just beyond me. They're all literally terrible, both Hamas and the Israeli government.

It's just Iraq all over again

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I completely agree. Everyone wants a nice simple goodie vs baddie dynamic but that's just not how it is.

Innocent people are being killed. I am pro-non-combatants-not-dying.

Frankly it's bizarre that western countries are so supportive of Israel. Yes Israel needs to defend itself but I don't think that requires the deaths of 5,000 mostly innocent Palestinians.

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 1 year ago

A radical idea: if "defending yourself" requires killing thousands of Innocent people, you do not, in fact, have a right to "defend yourself".

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm greatly worried the whole debacle is taking away much-needed attention from Ukraine.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe. It seems like the same parties pulling the strings in the Ukraine / Russia Conflict are the parties pulling the strings in the Israel / Gaza conflict.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.cafe -1 points 1 year ago

Remember how in the book 1984, it explains how the three major factions of that world were fighting proxy wars in the small equatorial region they had yet to conquer, and they were doing it on purpose to burn resources to maintain their brutally authoritarian societies?

I feel like these wars are doing just that.

[–] SwedishFool@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh definitely, agreed. I'm not siding with israel at all, I'm calling out how absolutely disgusting it is that people are coming to defense of these actions, and defending the worldspread celebrations of these deeds by the people who emigrated away from there.

[–] Smk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

That's my position too. How can you celebrate in the street after a terrorist attacks like this ?