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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 124 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Of fucking course we did...

[–] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 60 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I understand why the first proposal from Russia was rejected, but this one should have been pretty uncontroversial. This is really a WTF moment for US diplomacy.

[–] Faresh@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is really a WTF moment for US diplomacy.

Not really, considering the US's past actions and decisions, especially regarding Israel.

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately not. If you’ve been paying attention, this aligns pretty well with their behavior in the past.

[–] ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Saying it's status quo doesn't contradict how WTF it is.

Honestly it is completely normal for the US to veto these actions against Israel. Basically for anything to get through the security council it has to be targeting some one who is not friends of one of the 5 permanent members; The USA, The UK, France, China, and Russia. So that happens almost never. By the way the permanent members were all the counties that had atomic bombs at the time of formation. Not that is relevant to this discussion but a great little mind fuck factoid.

[–] isles@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What, like we're going to break our streak now? To governments, human lives are spreadsheet entries at best.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man, you'd think that if it was all spreadsheet shit we'd at least have the sense to side with a horrifically oppressive country that gives us something of value in return instead of just spitting in our face and demanding more support.

[–] isles@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We're pretty convinced they give us leverage in oil energy. We'll do just about anything for literal power.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We’re pretty convinced they give us leverage in oil energy.

I don't think they do, though. And I'm pretty sure the US government knows that.

Ah, domestic politics. What a fun way to ruin international politics.

[–] isles@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not disagreeing - what's your basis for the US not believing it and do you have an alternate explanation for the continued financial support of Israel? The only alternate theory I've heard is Christianity propping up Zionism to incite the 2nd coming.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

Domestic politics. SInce the 1980s refusing support to Israel has been an absolute non-starter due to a mixture of a stronger Israeli right-wing, the rise of evangelical influence in US politics, increased hostility towards Muslims, and improvement in Israeli PR and lobby work in the States.