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Russia's parliament took the first step on Tuesday towards revoking ratification of the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty and its top lawmaker hinted it might go further by abandoning the pact altogether.

Parliament's lower house, the Duma, voted by 412 to zero, with no abstentions, to approve the withdrawal of the ratification in the first of three readings.

Russia says the aim is to restore parity with the United States, which has signed but never ratified the 1996 treaty, and that it will not resume testing unless Washington does.

But arms control experts are concerned that Russia may be inching towards a test that would be perceived as a threatening signal by the West at a time of heightened confrontation over Russia's war in Ukraine.

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[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Can we just fucking stop for one minute? Total destruction accomplishes what? It’s mind boggling how absolutely selfish and childish some adults and mostly politicians act. Really depressing actually, feels like a constant battle everywhere against these sorts of people.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's inevitable.

For a while we lived in a unipolar world. The US ruled the roost, for better and for worse. The world was relatively calm.

But now we're transitioning to a multipolar world. Things will become more and more unstable. More wars and the risk of escalation is part and parcel of that transition. So it's back to preparing for the possibility of nuclear war.

It's a shame really. Perhaps we could have tackled climate change if the world was more unified. Perhaps not, given the lack of progress so far. Or perhaps a different world order will help and offer new opportunities, if we survive the transition.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Total destruction is not that big a deal if you believe in an afterlife and think you'll go to the good one.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Threat of total destruction can accomplish quite a lot.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Just do it, but please don't spare anyone, back to monke we go

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know that this was actual policy for decades right? Lookup Mutual Assured Destruction (mad).

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Doesn’t mean it’s not the dumbest shit humans have ever come up with

[–] Baines@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

you don’t own shit unless you can stop others from taking it

thinking otherwise is a naive privilege

[–] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

It absolutely is, living in the time of 'duck and cover' was awesome. It's nice to see a return.

[–] Baines@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

it never stopped being that, everything else is theatre

[–] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

You shouldn't really assume that the Russian government is up to anything aside from imitating some activity to present the their superiors, which is all a long chain going from the very down to the very top.

It's a corrupt government that consists of people only aiming at filling their pockets with as much money as possible, for as long as possible. Sometimes they need to play along and make people (mostly their gone-mad old-aged marasmatic superiors) believe they're loyal, should be allowed to keep their money and pay, and are super busy.

There is no ideology. There is no long-term goal. There isn't even an evil goal. There's only greed and some things that they think they must do to keep their pockets growing.

[–] theKalash@feddit.ch -2 points 1 year ago

What total destruction? This is meaningless political posturing.

[–] Lath@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

We did stop for one minute and now that minute has passed. Simple truth is there can be no trust between competing countries. All the major players have proven they can and are willing to do anything for complete hegemony.

They've had time to do the math and see the effects. Once they have countermeasures in place and decide the losses will be worth the price, nuclear war will happen.
Some people are dumb enough to try and make it happen while feeling all smug or righteous about it.
We are that dumb.