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But then I remember I didn't take their children away, hook them up to a machine to extract food from them, or kill them. And that makes me feel like making fun of carnists is not so bad.

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[–] Lininop@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago (13 children)

And this moral high horse logic is exactly why vegans get the reputation they do.

[–] stabby_cicada 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Abolitionists had a similar reputation in the 1700s and early 1800s - slavery in the US couldn't be abolished, it was crazy to call for a total ban, reasonable people could compromise, etc. And we all know how that ended.

Change starts with people who refuse to compromise their morals, no matter the social or legal consequences.

Veganism needs proud vegans.

[–] Lininop@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

And in my opinion that's fine, I can honestly understand the vegan view point, and how frustrating it is to see other living beings being exploited for our gain. There is a difference between what you are describing and people who make every effort to make snotty self righteous remarks every chance they get.

At that point it isn't even about the movement anymore, it's about the individual saying these things to feel morally superior to others. They are not helping by reminding their friend that is eating an ice cream that the cow was kidnapped and raped unprompted. They gain nothing by doing that except boosting their own ego and likely making their friend unwilling to hear their view point in the future.

[–] Goldfishlaser 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why don't I gain anything by it?

How is it not helping to remind them where the ice cream came from, since they obviously forgot if they're complaining about it to a vegan.

And what makes you assume moral superiority? You said yourself that you understand how frustrating it is for us to hear about animals being exploited. That's where the joke comes from. People unthinkingly doing wrong and expecting us to say nothing.

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