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https://web.archive.org/web/20231015162755/https://apnews.com/article/france-israel-palestinians-war-protests-banned-5626bafec480b32226dcb97d0c92a553


Fighting in the Middle East in the past has led to tensions in France, which is estimated to have the world’s third-largest Jewish population after Israel and the U.S., and the largest Muslim population in Western Europe.

The French government has reported 24 arrests for more than 100 antisemitic acts in France since Hamas attacked Israel on Saturday, including verbal abuse, people caught with knives near Jewish schools and synagogues and a drone equipped with a camera spotted over a Jewish cultural center. More than 2,000 cases of antisemitic speech have been reported to an online watchdog force.

It said pro-Palestinian demonstrations should be banned and those who defy bans should be arrested, ‘’because they are susceptible to disrupt public order.’’

Pro-Palestinian associations decried the move. The National Collective for a Fair and Lasting Peace between Palestinians and Israelis said it ‘’denounces this threat to freedom of expression,’’ and pledged to continue holding actions to support the Palestinian people.

Denouncing Hamas as a terrorist group, Macron called for peace efforts that would ensure both Israel’s security and a Palestinian state.


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[–] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I hate the anti-semitic terror supporters who infiltrate and dominate every demonstration condemning the actions of the Israeli government and military. I don't know the situation in France but I am well aware of the situation in Berlin. During Hamas's attack, their supporters were seen celebrating in the streets, distributing candy. Many forms of protest have been banned in the past week because the police claim to have knowledge of the individuals behind these demonstrations. Yesterday, there was a larger demonstration where everyone pledged to condemn Hamas's terror attack as well. At the beginning it was not banned.

Here is a video: https://youtu.be/YhNwSaW_UTk

In the video, dominating groups can be heard shouting slogans like "Hamas Ya Shabiya!" (which roughly translates to "Hamas, movement of the people!"), "We will fight with our blood and soul for al-Aqsa!" and "Millions of us will go to Jerusalem as martyrs."

Hamas has called for taking the fight to cities worldwide. In Germany as well as in France, there have been hundreds of anti-semitic attacks during the last days. Hitler's nazis forcibly removed jews from their homes in Berlin to persecute them. Last week, the same buildings were marked with Stars of David. A molotov cocktail was thrown towards a packed car in the city center. Berlin must not allow these terror supporters to dominate any demonstration.

It's a very difficult situation to solve, but they would not ban demonstrations that oppose anti-semitism.

edit: A systematic ban of all pro Palestinia demonstrations is, in my view, a violation of the right to protest.

[–] hiddengoat@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the good ol' "celebrating in the streets" trope. Just like all those Muslims that were totally celebrating in the streets on 9/11, or all those other ____ that were celebrating in the streets about ______.

Fill in the fucking blanks with any religious group and any event. Somehow it only applies to whatever "THEM" the person making the statement decides it should apply to, with little to no evidence outside of shitty potato footage that eventually gets dated back to some obscure TV show from the mid 90's.

[–] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Do you really belive there were no celebrations on 9/11???

In Berlin there were hundreds of witnesses. Nobody challanges the fact that there were celebrations.

[–] hiddengoat@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you really believe it matters?

Oh, yes, of course, because it means that "THEY" are bad and you are good, right?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The racism is in the "they're all the same" kind of thinking that picks up the negative behaviours of some and accuses an entire group of people who just happen to share the same etnicity/religion of being all like that.

It's exactly the same when some Israeli soldier shots and murders a kid throwing stones at the armored buldozer razing his home, some israelis come out to defend his actions and then some racist says that "all jews support the murdering of children" using that as an example (for avoidance of doubt: the racism is in going from a "murder cheered by a bunch of assholes" to "everybody who happens to share the same religion as they do support the murder of children").

If your "argument" is anchored in an "their all the same" assumption, then you're a racist.

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

“We will fight with our blood and soul for al-Aqsa!”

Al-Aqsa is a religious site that Palestinians shouldn't have to fight for. Like legally it's theirs. Israel gave it to them in a waqf.

So why are there clashes? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Al-Aqsa_clashes

[–] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)