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HOAs just like unions and governments are as good as the people that involve themselves in them and the less people represented in the democracy the more power you have in it so if you're not happy then get involved.
In my experience the people that “involve” themselves are raging clowns with superiority complexes.
And they have control because they don't have opposition from people who aren't like them... Welcome to politics, it's the same thing at all levels. Get involved or shut up. You don't vote? Then you agree with whatever the people who do decided.
Or just don't agree, and get a house that's not part of an HOA. With individual houses at least, you can realistically opt out of a system where the 51% of Karens accept management company bribes.
Wrong. Most areas with an HOA require membership to purchase the home.
Oh, look at that, most good areas have HOAs.
You didn't understand what they said... You're free to purchase a house somewhere where there's no HOA if you disagree with HOAs and don't want to get involved in them. That's how you have the freedom to opt out.
I understand their point, it's just a bad one. So much of where we live depends on job, educational, financial, and familial circumstances that it's just outright ludicrous to pretend HOAs are the only factor to consider for a home purchase. Or even an important one.
Especially when so much of what makes them frustrating to deal with is created by bad HOA members, not even necessarily the contract itself. You will not know it's a problem until it becomes one, in all likelihood.
Yes, you are technically free to not buy into a HOA neighborhood, like you're also free to deliberately send your kid to a shitty school as you live in a van.
Three quarters of US citizens live somewhere without an HOA, doesn't seem so hard not to have to deal with one and if you do, as I already mentioned, just get involved and improve things and if that doesn't fix it then get involved at a higher level. HOAs are a US issue only, get them regulated.
In the US these homes are increasingly rare. Pretty much any neighborhood built since the 70s comes with HOA bullshit attached
74% of the housing market doesn't have an HOA in the USA, worst case put pressure on the higher level of government to get them regulated, it's a US issue, you don't see that anywhere else.
So you believe the working class is america is under represented because less working class members vote than the rich voters? "Welcome to politics, it's the same thing at all levels" That just isn't how it works is it?
Home owners associations are more accessible to those with more money and more time. Seems familiar doesn't it.
No, I believe that if there's only 20 owners that are involved and you jump in you're 1 out of 21 voices instead of 1 out of millions of voices so your opinion has more weight to it.
Well, yes. Less working class people vote (as a percentage) than rich people.
Also the rich people help run ads telling the working class who to vote for. And that works often enough to be effective.
"Well, yes. Less working class people vote (as a percentage) than rich people."
So your answer was no.
So now lets get into the President. Vice President, Treasurer, Member at Large, and Secretary postions.
They have the ability (as the board) to vote on a matter without the "populous" being present or having a vote.
An HOA can be okay, but can take advantage of situations really quickly. Not to mention hold grudges over things for years.
Exactly. You don't hear about good HOAs because the people who live in them have no reason to discuss it.
True in theory, and while I realize that this is purely anecdotal, in my experience as a contractor, HOAs are invariably a giant pain in the ass to deal with.
What you want as a contractor is a professional property management company that's used to dealing with construction contractors and is familiar with industry standards and basic reality.
Fortunately I don't work in residential construction anymore.
Oh, I am happy... I have no HOA.
That comment wasn't directed at you specifically.
I kinda agree with you. In theory, they definitely are. But at the same time, in practice, the already bad reputation of HOAs seems to attract the worst kind of people. It's a political position and suffers just like any other political position. The kinds of people who'd be best at it often don't want to do it because it's toxic.