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No one is free from criticism. Harmful ideas should be condemned, when they are demonstrably harmful. But theist beliefs are such a vast range and diversity of ideas, some harmful, some useful, some healing, some vivifying, and still others having served as potent drivers of movements for justice; that to lump all theist religious belief into one category and attack the whole of it, only demonstrates your ignorance of theology, and is in fact bigotry.

By saying that religious and superstitious beliefs should be disrespected, or otherwise belittling, or stigmatizing religion and supernatural beliefs as a whole, you have already established the first level on the "Pyramid of Hate", as well as the first of the "10 Stages of Genocide."

If your religion is atheism, that's perfectly valid. If someone is doing something harmful with a religious belief as justification, that specific belief should be challenged. But if you're crossing the line into bigotry, you're as bad as the very people you're condemning.

Antitheism is a form of supremacy in and of itself.

"In other words, it is quite clear from the writings of the “four horsemen” that “new atheism” has little to do with atheism or any serious intellectual examination of the belief in God and everything to do with hatred and power.

Indeed, “new atheism” is the ideological foregrounding of liberal imperialism whose fanatical secularism extends the racist logic of white supremacy. It purports to be areligious, but it is not. It is, in fact, the twin brother of the rabid Christian conservatism which currently feeds the Trump administration’s destructive policies at home and abroad – minus all the biblical references."

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2019/5/4/the-resurrection-of-new-atheism/

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/2/21/can-atheists-make-their-case-without-devolving-into-bigotry/

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[–] TwentySeven@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is the take I cannot stand. I don't care what anyone's beliefs are, but to say that religion is inherently bad, or that it is incompatible with critical thinking is offensive, and quite frankly, extremely narrow minded and stupid.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Don't most religions condemn atheism as inherently bad, stupid, dishonest, etc?

[–] myslsl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is not inherent to all religions. Some particular religions are intolerant of other beliefs. Some aren't. I'm not sure of "most", you'd actually have to start listing out religions and gathering evidence for that claim.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It would be easier to list the religions that don't teach that disbelief is wrong. I can't think of any, though.

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Daoism. Buddhism. That's two off the top of my head. (Both, in fact, don't care if you participate in other religions' rites and ceremonies.)

You'll find that most pantheistic, animistic, and shamanistic religions aren't as bigoted as the Abrahamic faiths tend to be (which is the faith family most westerners think of as "religions").

[–] myslsl@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I agree. It is very frustrating that many major religions are like this.

From the Christians who have been proven to molest children, and set back rights of women and LGBTQ people. To the Muslims that also do horrible things to children, and women, and LGBTQ people. To Hindus that kill Sikhs and Muslims. To Sikhs that kill Hindus. I could keep going but I think I’ve got a large enough sample size already.

Even if you’re church or whatever doesn’t do these things directly. It still helps to breed the identity that is that religion. It still helps to spread the hate associated with that religion. In a lot of cases it sends money to fund the people that are fighting.

As far as religion messing with people’s ability to think critically. If you think religion doesn’t mess with that. I can’t help you. It’s literally in the news all day everyday. Pretty much everything that has to do with hate towards the LGBTQ people in the US was initiated by fear mongering politicians, and given legitimacy by religion.

[–] slugo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Offensive to who? He was talking about religion, not a person. It doesn't seem like you understand how being offended works. When you add nothing of value and go on the attack you lose all credibility. You should downvote yourself.