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Hamas tells Gaza City residents to stay put after Israel orders evacuation
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 13 Oct 2023
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You think Israel will just stop and leave the Southern half?
Even if they did, they're keeping the northern part and annexing it.
But more likely they'll be invading the southern half immediately after taking the north.
They can't even leave Gaza, because Israel is attacking the exit to Egypt.
Stop acting like them moving is in any way a valid option. They are literally fucked no matter what they do. And it's been like this for a long long time.
I'm opposed to what Israel is doing but the truth is that Israel has repeatedly given back land they have captured during conflicts. So yes, they will not be annexing any land. As well, there is way too much international attention on them right now, whereas their approach of taking tiny bites has been subtle enough to avoid causing repercussions, so they most likely just go back to doing that at a later date.
The thing I don't understand about this invasion is what's stopping Hamas from just relocating south with the rest of the Palestinians? Sure they'll lose some heavier equipment that might be hard to move but they don't have that much of it to begin with. If they stay and fight they'll lose the equipment anyways, and only end up getting killed. Whereas if they leave with the civilians, then Israel will look stupid after invading Gaza only to find nothing. Huge failure for them.
Literally your first sentence is a lie whilst saying 'the truth is'
Where do you get your world news?
Apparently I get my world news from the history books, here's a few examples you can look up:
1967 Israel takes control of the entire Sinai Peninsula
1971 Israel returns Sinai Peninsula to Egypt
1982 Israel invades Lebanon after attacks from militants
1983 - 1985 Israel slowly withdraws from most of southern Lebanon
2000 Israeli completes withdrawal from Lebanon
2005 Israel withdraws all military and civilians from the Gaza Strip and hands over control to the Palestinian Authority
2007 Hamas violently overthrew the PA in Gaza (bet you didn't cry about this)
2023 Israel withdraws from Jenin in the West Bank after invading
Yeah... after fighting 3 countries and winning so hard they actually gained ground.
After creating a country by a series of escalating bombings of civilian targets, executions of political enemies, executions of religious enemies and you know, stabbings like the current Israelis screech about constantly and use as an excuse to level buildings.
Yeah in this case they didn't invade Lebanon for the land in the first place, they were just trying to genocide the Palestinians.
The settler thing is different because the intent is to steal the land
And they never built illegal settlements or evicted Palestinians from their homes. /s
Never claimed otherwise. In fact, I literally mentioned Israel stealing land when I wrote:
I guess that was too abstract?
In Gaza they stopped doing so in the mid 2000s.
I think you get all of the information about the reality of this war from headlines and mainstream Western outlets.
Tell you what, why don't your layout your excavation plan? I would strongly recommend you do at least some light reading about the reality on the ground first.
I find BBC's coverage quite impartial, even though a lot of their human side of the stories is from Israel.
There are also plenty Of Western media outlets who are trying to depict both points of view in this conflict which is admirable, but I presume the media in the US is more opinionated.
I also think what Hamas did was horrendous, but I know that the answer of Israel is not the solution either, and it is a pity just because politics and religion so many innocents from both sides have to suffer.
I'm sorry, but parroting the IDF is not credible. Especially considering we've already had reports in the last several days of these IDF evacuation routes being bombed by the IDF.
So either go read up on the realities of Gaza, or GTFO with your idiotic takes.
Have you thought that perhaps Israel could just not bomb a civilian area?
I'd argue that not leaving would hopefully discourage bombing the entire area and 2 million people losing their homes.
Israel "we'll do it anyway"
Who's the bad guys here?
Did you forget what prompted this only a few days ago? I don't know what kind of response they'd expect.
Ahh right I forgot that old saying, how does it go? "Eye for an I'll kill your entire family"
Did you forget what prompted that? I don't know what kind of response you expect from locking millions behind a wall on their own land.
It didn't happen.
And if it happened then it wasn't me.
And if it was then it wasn't that bad.
And if it was then they deserved it <--- You are here.