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This is end stage capitalism, it's functioning as intended.
It was a process. Reagan's election in 1980 was a big step.
From that moment forward, we were on the express train to capital-driven fascism.
The CIA extrajudicial detention and torture program triggered my are we the baddies? moment, and yet somehow the US publice still kept voting for the let's-go-back-to-feudal-monarchy party.
The next destination is civil war city, unless we can stop or reroute the train. But the Democratic party isn't willing to give up some power to the public to save the nation and democracy.
So civil war it is.
Technically they didn't vote to do that, every Republican since iirc Bush one had lost the popular.
Technically George W. Bush won in 2004. By a thread. As the incumbent. Versus John Kerry, possibly the blandest candidate the Democrats would offer... by swift boating the poor sod.
Aside from the fact that it was one of the most questionable election results of the last century.
This is a perfectly concise explanation and I appreciate that. I was born in the early 80s and didn't really take a hard look at politics until all this was well on its way to fuckville.
The thing that astounds me is that so many people simply buy into it and vote along party lines or whatever that it's becoming increasingly impossible to change course.
And my problem with heading for civil war city, is that the gun toting, second amendment maniacs tend to be the ones voting for the worst of the worst; to borrow your phrasing, they're voting for the ones pushing towards capital-driven fascism.
I have a serious concern that those fascists will end up being the victors since they seem to be represented and voted for by those whom are constantly practicing for the civil war outcome. To me, that means the chances of such a civil war having a more democratic outcome than a fascist one, are small.
Bruh. There will be no civil war or at the very least it will be heavily decided by which side the Military Industry chooses (hint it'll be the side of maintaining status quo)
Jim bob with his ar-15 ain't gonna do shit against basically any modern Military equipment (ie drones and f-35s)
It's retired CIA analysts who specialize in civil wars and the symptoms that show high risk that pointed to the current state of the US in an interview on PBS. Noting that the precarity of the people combined with the uprising and political takeover of federal and state governments by the white Christian nationalist movement is going to lead to a conflict of interest neither tolerable in its contentious state, nor reconcilable by nonviolent means.
Essentially BLM (The public) vs. the law enforcement state. It'll look like La Résistance versus the German occupation of Paris, with another layer of communication security / surveillance on the internet.
The US Armed Forces are not supposed to be deployed in the states, as we saw during Trump's term. They'll be extremely resistant to take sides, and it's not clear if they're going to want to side with the guys who are slaughtering drag queens and running thr prison complex like concentration camps, even though that will be the side that has legal authority over them, yet issuing illegal orders to them.
But unlike the German Reich, the US is huge and a lot of different things will be going on at the same time. There will also be more opportunity to interfere with the complexity of government and logistics of supply. It compares to the land war in Asia problem.
You bring up a good point of the Christo-fascist movement.
If all the jimbobs organize as zealots that could certainly lead to civil war with very messy borders
You're not wrong and many of the military are on the same side as the gravy seals... aka those that are geared up for a military style incursion without the same training dicipline or structure as military personnel.
unfortunately, IMO, it would appear that's the side that seems to have the most right wing, authoritarian/facist people involved. So any conflict is going to be super short lived.
Let them eat cake.