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[–] atetulo@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The fuck do they need to 'show' solidarity for? Just say you stand with Israel and move on.

All the money spent coordinating that visit could be better spent fighting the war in Ukraine.

[–] OttoVonNoob@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Political play, Israel hasn't went all in on Ukraine. This could be part of an agreement for weapon share, experience share, intel share, etc etc. Diplomacy is a fucked up thing.

[–] atetulo@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's actually interesting. It could be beneficial if it resulted in greater support for Ukraine from Israel.

I'm mostly focusing on Israel supporting Ukraine because Ukraine has far fewer resources and a way greater enemy to face.

[–] OttoVonNoob@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean Zelensky internationally is very popular. It draws attention, Currys sympathy and overall legitimizes the war declaration more. On top of thar the most experiences soldiers in the world are Ukrainians and or Russians at the moment. The Russians have been siding with Iran, so Israel probably a tad pissed. If Ukraine sends 10 instructors maybe Israel sends 10 AA missle launchers with rounds to Ukraine.

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isreal soldiers have been doing a fair amount of fighting over the years too, including the last decade. Maybe each soldier on average isn't the hardened vet the average Ukranian soldier is now, but the amount of instituional knowledge IDF has is not to be sneered at.

It definitely is a political play, like you said. More support from Israel for Ukraine, and maybe less support to Russia. I believe Israel is maintaining some nominal relation to Russia due to their histories.

[–] OttoVonNoob@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Oh for sure don't get me wrong Israelis defiantly are top notch fighters and have experience. That being said the last full scale war they had against the Arab league didn't have drones. Which Ukraine and Russia are tbe only two armies getting real practice and experience.

[–] IonAddis@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All the money spent coordinating that visit could be better spent fighting the war in Ukraine.

...you do realize that the ONLY reason the money coming in to Ukraine at the pace it is is because he said exactly the right things on the world stage at the right time in such a charismatic way that people believed in him enough that fundraising basically started flowing in?

His diplomatic/networking/fundraising acumen is WHY the money is flowing in, ya doofus.

Why the hell wouldn't he be furiously trying to arrange in-person meetings where he can use his personal social skills to forge diplomatic ties?

[–] atetulo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

So, you're saying that him going to visit Israel in person will result in more aid to Ukraine, enough to outweigh the costs of facilitating such a visit?

You could be right. You could be wrong. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

I think that Ukraine would receive the same amount of aid regardless of if Zelensky goes to Israel in person.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Talk is cheap. Action isn’t.

[–] atetulo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What is the action?

Going there in person? How does that change things?

Heck, they could just send the money they would spend coordinating the visit to Israel to have a greater impact. But they have their own war to fight, so.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

It shows sincerity. This is how humans have made peace treaties and showed their real support for millennia.

[–] Zellith@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Well dont forget; Ukraine is led by Nazis. How do you think Putin would try and twist this information?