this post was submitted on 11 Oct 2023
391 points (72.8% liked)

Fuck Cars

9639 readers
328 users here now

A place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let's explore the bad world of Cars!

Rules

1. Be CivilYou may not agree on ideas, but please do not be needlessly rude or insulting to other people in this community.

2. No hate speechDon't discriminate or disparage people on the basis of sex, gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, or sexuality.

3. Don't harass peopleDon't follow people you disagree with into multiple threads or into PMs to insult, disparage, or otherwise attack them. And certainly don't doxx any non-public figures.

4. Stay on topicThis community is about cars, their externalities in society, car-dependency, and solutions to these.

5. No repostsDo not repost content that has already been posted in this community.

Moderator discretion will be used to judge reports with regard to the above rules.

Posting Guidelines

In the absence of a flair system on lemmy yet, let’s try to make it easier to scan through posts by type in here by using tags:

Recommended communities:

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Staccato@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

EVs start their life with a higher environmental burden than ICE vehicles, but the math comes out so that the burden becomes lower after between 15k-20k miles.

By the end of life of an EV, they are more eco friendly than an ICE vehicle of similar build.

[–] solivine@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If that's true then I've been fed some misinformation, could you provide a link/source verifying this?

[–] Tnaeriv@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

I found this article by the European Environment Agency. There's also the Green NCAP website where you can check the environmental impact of different vehicles over their entire lifetime.

[–] drewdarko@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, “Environmental burden” and “eco friendly” are generic buzzwords used to lump other environmental issues like micro plastics or habitat destruction in with the reduction of green house gases.

I wonder how the math would work out when it is strictly about reduction of greenhouse gases and factors unrelated to our dependency on fossil fuels are not skewing the results.

[–] Staccato@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Good point. I was referring to analyses I read that were calculating the carbon footprint specifically. Apologies for using vague language.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The number of miles varies a lot depending on the source of electricity but it goes up to 50k if it's from burning coal IIRC

[–] Staccato@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Which, over the lifetime of the car, is still a win environmentally. Modern cars are estimated to last for 200k miles, and electric vehicles are believed capable of enduring for 300k miles (although most models are too new to really prove that with data).