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Hamas, federation and legality (lemm.ee)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by NuPNuA@lemm.ee to c/meta@lemm.ee

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So, I've noticed a few posts making it to "all" from some some communities that are, shall we say, unsympathetic to the Israelis readarding the attacks over the weekend.

I don't want to get into a row about the situation itself as you can have one of them anywhere online right now.

However, some of it slips into being supportive and almost enthusiastic about Hamas actions.

In quite a few countries, Hamas are a legally proscribed terrorist organisation, and support of them is specifically illegal. Therefore I'm wondering if there is any risk hosting federated content from these instances if you happen to live in said country and host a Lemmy instance. Lemm.ee for example being based in the EU where they are deemed as terrorists.

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[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, nationalism and anti-communism are also pillars of nazism. Wait...

[–] trespass@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All I'm asking for is a bit of nuance beyond "communists are saying nazi things". Being similar is not being the same. You're implying that Palestinians are Nazis, which is... a tremendous stretch.

[–] Historical_General@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Also just wrong, since both Jewish Zionists and Nazis were inspired by European colonialism. (Important to note there are Christian Zionists out there, and the original British Upper Class Christian Zionists basically just wanted the Jews out of Europe).

[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de -2 points 1 year ago

"Communists are saying Nazi things"? I'm not sure where I talked about communists besides the opposition to it in Hamas.

And no, I'm not implying Palestinians are Nazis - I'm responding to the claim that Hamas isn't fascist just because there's more to fascism than antisemitism. Yes, antisemitism does not imply fascism. But antisemitism combined with a few other factors does imply fascism. (And no, fascism does not imply antisemitism).

And it's certainly not a stretch to claim a subset of a group is fascist. Like this Palestinian on the left (who is also instrumentalized by Israeli fascists to claim all Palestinians are Nazis - which is obviously wrong, but this guy certainly was one):

Also, just a small definition: I use the terms Nazi and fascist interchangeably, there's not much of a point here to argue semantics.

[–] Historical_General@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, that's why Mossad funded them. If they were Islamist, they'd be easier to control like the Saudis and friends. The PLO were left secularist and led by a man married to a Christian Palestinian.

By the way Israel is more viciously nationalist, fascist and anti-communist.

[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never said anything positive about Israel, did I? I responded to a comment saying just because Hamas is antisemitic doesn't mean it's fascist. While that's true, Hamas fulfills more hallmarks of fascism than merely antisemitism.

[–] Historical_General@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Well, I wasn't criticising you personally. I was adding some important, interesting and peculiar context.

Don't you find it wierd that Israelis were more interested in weakening a disciplined left secular party and inviting corrupt terrorists to power instead? I mean obviously, if Palestine ever were to be free, the business class don't want them to be left secular nor independant.

Personally I don't think Hamas should be compared to fascists, the term obscures the unique problems in the Middle East between different factions, who fall in and out of favour with the chief meddler in the region (US). But it doesn't really matter.