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Rescuers recover more than 260 bodies at music festival attacked by Hamas (www.independent.co.uk)

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The Israeli rescue service Zaka says its paramedics removed more than 260 bodies from a music festival that came under attack by Hamas militants.

The total figure of bodies found is expected to be higher, as other paramedic teams were also working in the area and Zaka added that the bodies “haven’t all been collected yet”.

Early on Saturday morning, Hamas targeted Nova music festival, a techno rave in the desert near the border with Gaza.

Videos shared on social media and by Israeli news outlets showed dozens of festival-goers running through an open field as gunshots rang out. Many hid in nearby fruit orchards or were gunned down as they fled.

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[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

regular Palestinians

"What regular Palestinians? Those doctors and children were clearly armed militants" - the IDF probably.

[–] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

I heard an Israeli coworker claim that the IDF is the worlds most moral army. With blind-belief like that, they are gonna commit some crazy atrocities.

[–] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've read Hamas specifically runs military operations in civilian buildings like hospitals as a meat shield, is that not true?

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a claim regularly made by the IDF. It seems fairly likely and I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary.

I'm not sure how different that is from deliberately putting civilian settlements in a hotly contested buffer zone though.

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bro you are cracked.

This is a claim regularly made by the IDF. It seems fairly likely and I haven’t seen any evidence to the contrary.

"I have 0 evidence in either direction but the propaganda I like tells me X"

How are people who are getting bombed supposed to provide you evidence to the contrary? Why is it not on the State of Israel to prove that their targets have military personnel inside before they kill the civilians?

Take away the fact that Israel routinely bombs news buildings, ya know the buildings with the cameras and networks capable of providing evidence, what kind of evidence could they even provide that would make you say "no I'm wrong"?

Lets say the people in AP building ran around and took pictures before the bombing and showed no one in Hamas gear before the bombing, people would just shift the goalposts and say "well they could take off their military gear and hide as civilians", "oh those pictures could be fake", "how do we know they were even taken at the right time?"

As soon as you've accepted the premise that Israel can kill civilians first and ask questions later you've lost the plot.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think you finished reading my comment in the first place but I'll expand on it.

Terrorists/freedom fighters/insurgents (whatever you want to call them) regularly have their operations in civilian buildings; the IRA did it, the country formerly known as the 13 colonies did it, Boxers did it, ETA did it... It's just standard MO because they have no choice.

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest -1 points 1 year ago

I don’t think you finished reading my comment in the first place but I’ll expand on it.

I did I just snapped because I think it's stupid to excuse war crimes without evidence. It has probably happened in the past, it will probably happen in the future but to take Israels word unconditionally is giving Israel a blank check to commit war crimes. Israel gets $3.8 billion a year from the US, they should not be launching a single missile until they have evidence there is at least one member of the opposing side (or their equipment) where it's gonna land.

Coming back today, yeah I appreciate the latter half of your first comment and the entirety of this one.