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Israel Attack: Hamas Militants Parade Naked Body Of Israeli Woman In Open Truck; Disturbing Video Surfaces
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It's not whataboutism. It's the fucking dynamics of war. Whataboutism is saying "This is almost as bad as the Holocaust." because the Holocaust is entirely unrelated to this conflict. Pseudo intelligence of idiots using terms they don't understand is almost as frustrating as supporting a country who indiscriminately murders civilians while ignoring how a victimized country can still have extremists or terrorists acting separately from them. Not quite but almost.
War is grotesque. Hamas is grotesque. Do not confuse Hamas with Palestine.
Ignoring the ad hominem in your post, I never said Hamas was Palestine. I said that things done to Palestine are grotesque. I said this action by Hamas was grotesque, and replying to the original commenter that it was “almost as bad” as heinous acts done by the recipient of this evil act does not justify this evil act.
And the Holocaust has literally nothing to do with this discussion, as you mention. Better to make your point would be to actually discuss whataboutism as a definition and provide discussion for why making a counter accusational justification doesn’t qualify as whataboutism (note: the definition of whataboutism is literally responding to an accusation with a counter accusation in an attempt to side step the issue, which I believe is exactly what happened here, eg “this evil act (the accusation) is actually not that bad because of the other evil acts of Israel (counter accusation)”).
So my argument still stands to the tenets by definition, I never equated Hamas to Palestine (and in fact made the same point that acts done to them were also horrible), and never defended Israel or Hamas. I just don’t believe that killing civilians, or committing war crimes or attempting terror campaigns, is justifiable (by either side).
Good job, me calling you an idiot IS an ad hominem but unfortunately, ah, I still responded to your argument directly and didn't use the fact you're an idiot as the reason for why your argument is false, it's just in addition to the reason I gave which is that your definition is literally incorrect.
A comparison is not a whataboutism. Me comparing shades of red is not me 'whataboutisming' the colors. Because the events are related, calling it a "whataboutism" doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Saying "This is almost as bad as the time Russia invaded Ukraine" is not a whataboutism. Saying "What about when Russia invaded Ukraine? That's clearly so much worse because-" most certainly is.
Almost all of the time the actual words are used to make the fallacy, hence the namesake. "What about" posits a question to be answered and thus makes the distraction, "This is almost as bad as" is a comparative statement which requires no answer.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whataboutism
Or the Oxford definition:
what·a·bout·ism /ˌ(h)wədəˈboudizəm/ nounBRITISH the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue.
Edit: downvoting the actual definition from two external, highly authoritative sources that support my previous comments is certainly an interesting choice
This was a war crime.
So is Israel firing on Palestinian civilians. Both countries are soaked in innocent blood.
Agreed.