For the same reason we don't fine drivers $10 for driving like idiots. If cyclists can ride around town with no regard for safety and the law, because the worst they'll face is a $10 fine, then why should they be safe riders?

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's the car brain talking. It's not a cogent explanation.

Why, when cyclists factually do not cause anywhere near the same level of harm as drivers, should the fine be the same?

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's nothing to do with that. It's about lack of consequences. A $10 fine is no deterrent at all for obeying the law. For any road user.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's well-known that severity of punishment has very little bearing on deterrent effectiveness. What works is likelihood of facing that punishment at all.

But again, enforcing speed limits on bikes just makes no sense. It's responding to a risk that basically doesn't exist, and any resources that could be spent on it would be far better spent ensuring drivers don't break the law.

Of course, that would require cops doing the right thing in the interest of actual safety. But the truth is, cops don't give a fuck about that. They're as car-brained as our politicians, if not more so. They'll spend heaps of resources enforcing these nonsense speed limits, while they refuse to enforce laws like the minimum passing distance for cyclists even when they're literally handed the evidence needed.

[–] abhibeckert@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

while they refuse to enforce laws like the minimum passing distance for cyclists even when they’re literally handed the evidence needed.

It's not enough to show video footage of a car passing a cyclist. The cops need to know who was driving the car.

Police speed/red light/mobile phone/etc infringement notices are only issued if they have an accurate photo of the driver's face (or, if they pull over the vehicle immediately and identify the driver). To achieve that they use powerful flashes when the photo is taken. They send the notice to the registered owner of the vehicle but they also need the photo to sort things out when the driver says "that wasn't me".

A bicycle GoPro is just too small, and has no flash. You'd never be able to identify the driver.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Police have the power to require the owner of the car nominate who was driving at a given time. They just refuse to use it.
They refuse to prosecute even when evidence of the driver is available (for example, when you catch up to them later and clearly show their face).

[–] red_one@lemmy.probabilitydegeneration.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because riding around unsafely is a good way to end up in the back of an ambulance.

It's not about the $, it's about the survivability of an accident.

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sitting here, that sounds like a reasonable argument. Yet experience shows us that people are idiots. They go around with the mentality of 'It will never happen to me.'

Have a look at this on the ABC today. Specifically the bit about the lack of road rules in the late 60's:

In the 1960s, seatbelts weren't mandatory, speed cameras hadn't yet been introduced and drink driving went virtually unchecked. It was a time of carnage on our roads.
In 1970, the worst road toll year on record, 3,798 people lost their lives.
That's more than three times higher than the figure for last year, when 1,194 people died.

There you are - evidence that laws about road safety save lives. That's no statistical outlier. Road deaths plummeted after the introduction of safety laws. Yes, they have reduced even further in the past 20 years with the introduction of better vehicle safety features, but that doesn't come close to explaining all of it.

I know we're not literally talking about removing the laws for cyclists. Yet, my argument remains: If the fines for cyclists are negligible, they will be disregarded. They may as well be removed.