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[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 130 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

"Small price to pay for the freedom to travel"

-An actual thing that's been said to me before when I brought up other environmental issues

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 83 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nothing says "freedom" like a tool that costs tens of thousands to buy and thousands every year to maintain and use.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meanwhile I can amtrak to DC for $30 round trip 🤷

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From where?

This statement doesn't make much sense without context.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 0 points 1 year ago

Sure, but I'm not disclosing my location on Lemmy. 🤷

I'm sure a bit of diddling on their site could give you an idea of how far $X will get you.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago

Our freedom to travel was stolen from us and sold back to us

[–] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“Small price to pay for the freedom to travel”

Well, they pay a small price for their freedom to travel. It's everybody else that has to suffer the externalities of their choices.

Let's tax antisocial behavior, so that these externalities are internalized. Carbon tax, vehicle weight per passenger tax, vehicle volume per passenger tax, etc.

[–] InputZero@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

'Be careful now, you're starting to sound like a communist.' they say.

Seriously though, you're right, we should do all that. Switching over to EVs won't solve very many problems. Everywhere needs to have fewer vehicles in the road and that's public transit.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck them.

They also call me a communist now because I think a 40 hour work week should put a basic roof (efficiency on your own or maybe a basic 2br with a roomie) over your head no matter what you're doing.

Turns out the "Red Scare™" will always return whenever capitalism starts fraying at the seams to keep people from exploring even the slightest reforms.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

40 hour work week

Hell with that, make it more like 20...

[–] Iampossiblyatwork@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not even a freedom to travel... It's a requirement. You want to live in area where you don't need need a car? Only a few cities in America make that reality possible. If you want/have to live/work anywhere else... You need a car. That's not freedom. Also those places where you don't need a car are very expensive to live in.

Its not a lack of rails and light rails... It's a lack of local transportation that's fast and reliable.

People actually use the bus system in Ann Arbor because it runs on time, frequently and is clean. I'm all for a transportation haven but a lot of cities can't even walk and are trying to run.

Detroits Q Line is a good example of running before you can walk. The bus system is god awful. Late. No shows. Generally unreliable. Then they just slapped a thing on top of it that's probably even less reliable...

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

It is in fact a privillege to live a normal life in US without a car...