If it has the information, why not? Why should you be restricted by what a company deems appropriate. I obviously picked the bomb example as an extreme example, but that's the point.

Just like I can demonize encryption by saying I should be allowed to secretly send illegal content. If I asked you straight up if encryption is a good thing, you'd probably agree. If I mentioned its inevitable bad use in a shocking manner, would you defend the ability to do that, or change your stance that encryption is bad?

To have a strong stance means also defending the potential harmful effects, since they're inevitable. It's hard to keep values consistent, even when there are potential harmful effects of something that's for the greater good. Encryption is a perfect example of that.

[–] Lionir@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (10 children)

This is a false equivalence. Encryption only works if nobody can decrypt it. LLMs work even if you censor illegal content from their output.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You miss the point. My point is that if you want to have a consistent view point, you need to acknowledge and defend the harmful sides. Encryption can objectively cause harm, but it should absolutely still be defended.

[–] bear 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What the fuck is this "you should defend harm" bullshit, did you hit your head during an entry level philosophy class or something?

The reason we defend encryption even though it can be used for harm is because breaking it means you can't use it for good, and that's far worse. We don't defend the harm it can do in and of itself; why the hell would we? We defend it in spite of the harm because the good greatly outweighs the harm and they cannot be separated. The same isn't true for LLMs.

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We don't believe that at all, we believe privacy is a human right. Also you're just objectively wrong about LLMs. Offline uncensored LLMs already exist, and will perpetually exist. We don't defend tools doing harm, we acknowledge it.

[–] bear 3 points 1 year ago

We don't believe that at all, we believe privacy is a human right.

That's just a different way to phrase what I said about defending the good side of encryption.

Offline uncensored LLMs already exist, and will perpetually exist

I didn't say they don't exist, I said that the help and harm aren't inseparable like with encryption.

We don't defend tools doing harm, we acknowledge it.

"My point is that if you want to have a consistent view point, you need to acknowledge and defend the harmful sides."

If you want to walk it back, fine, but don't pretend like you didn't say it.

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