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I'm learning Mandarin at a later age now (40). The keyboard stuff is okay but it NEEDS to be a smart keyboard where you typically use pinyin and it's not that bad for what it is, but my typos are crazy now.
That being said, I'm ethnically Chinese and it's really difficult to pick up. I know a lot of foreign languages are but Chinese feels rougher. Also, other Chinese people can be bloody rude when I'm trying to speak Chinese. I'm tired of hearing "stop trying to speak Chinese" ... well fuck you too, your English isn't exactly music to my ears either, but I put up with it.
The French attitude is generally sympathetic, so long as you're at least trying.
I've often had shopkeepers etc. correct obvious mistakes, "non, c'est 'blabla bla '" "ah, blabla bla ?" "oui".
Except in Paris. Paris, people just want an excuse to be a dick to you.
Lmao. A twitch streamer I watch took a trip to Europe a few weeks ago and Paris was the one place he hated because everyone there were assholes
Paris, the Philadelphia of France
Paris is a terrible city and I am sad it is what most people think of france
I kinda cheated, I'm slightly below conversational Cantonese ... which is another dialect of Chinese. I picked up Mandarin because Cantonese is so damned hard to learn on its own rather than Mandarin's vast learning material out there. The intonation is definitely difficult. I'm still not great at it ... the key for me is not really getting bogged down with perfection so far. I just correct myself and move on. It's easy to get paralysis due to wanting to be perfect.
A lot of Chinese people come to me to speak English and I grew up in London and lots of Eastern Europeans would struggle speaking English as well. I'm more than happy to work with them and practice. Never saw it as an issue, myself as well.
As someone who used to be so flat in their verbal communication that they were nicknamed Daria (my hero at the time so I wasn't too upset), and worked really hard to change that so they could function in society, I am certain I would struggle hard with Chinese language if that's the case.
One issue is, I'm ethnically Chinese, but been living in the US for more than 35 years (in my 40s), that when I try to speak my limited Chinese, I sound like a child. So to a person from China, I'm an adult Chinese person sounding like a kid, so it may look like I'm some type of a mentally challenged person. So it can be very difficult. And then if they found out I can speak English, they'll be like "just f-ing speak English" and get it over with already. Of course it depends on the situation and person. But that's the general difficulties of being Asian American in Asia (who is trying hard to blend in).
For non-Asians in Asia, they all say "everyone is so nice and patient with me", and that's because they are obviously a foreigner and its still a novelty for someone in China to be able to interact with a foreigner (maybe not in big 1st tier cities), so they will give you the time of the day.
I studied Mandarin in college and I feel this comment. Keep it up, Mandarin is definitely a difficult language, but it can be blast to learn. There are other keyboards options on smartphone that may be better suited to learning Chinese. Feel free to dm me if u got any questions.
As for the assholes, yeah ignore them. Every language/country has assholes so the best you can do is just not give them attention. Unfortunately China is growing more nationalist and xenophobic, but there are still plenty of people that are ecstatic to speak with newbies like us in their native tongue. Don't let the worst get you down :)
I learned Zhuyin (注音) in Taiwan when I was younger, but then stopped using it when I immigrated to the US. At some point, I wanted to type Chinese on smartphones, so I started to learn Pinyin and used Pinyin for a while to type Chinese. The issue with Pinyin is that it uses the alphabets and that collides with English too much, I think as a English speaker, you naturally would try to use English's way of pronunciation to try to sound out words in Chinese, and that creates problems for me because its a mismatch.
But recently, I started to use the Zhuyin system again, and it is just a lot more natural. Of course for me, I've learned it before as a kid, so it wasn't that difficult to pick it up again. But it would be a steep learning curve for someone new to Chinese. But I still recommend it, it would be like someone needing to learn Hiragana and Katakana when learning Japanese. I've also learned from some of the older Chinese people from China that Zhuyin used to be taught in China as well, which was surprising to me. I guess that was the system in use before Mao decided that China needs to "westernize" and go with roman alphabets with Pinyin.
The lack of tolerance is two things, ignorance or patience. Doesnt matter what country or culture, most folks just dont have the time to try to figure out what gibberish you are trying to say. OR they simply don't have the intercultural experience to know what to do in situations where a non-native speaker is trying to communicate. It's the old "yelling doesnt help me understand your language better" scenario. I got it a lot when I lived in Taipei and I see it here in the US with my coworkers.
Oh yeah, okay, let me be clear the scenarios you say make sense and are understandable. However, I've had school friends and even friends now who tell me to shut up because I sound embarassing. Or even "what are you even trying to say".
It's something that really gets to me because there's a certain vulnerability when attempting new things or things you're not good at it.
Dont. Get. Me. Started. You just identified one thing that really grinds my gears. Until there is acrid smoke pouring out my ears. Literally. My room reeks of burnt oil and grilled brain. What's left of it anyway.
god imagine trying to write code in languages like Chinese