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200% increase once I moved to the U. S from Sweden. I'm so happy to finally leave Europe
That was unexpected (at least to me), like idk it feels like Sweden a good place to stay. Yeah the American salaries can be crazy.... but after you count everything... idk I don't think I personally would have done it.
A good place to stay? I was renting a 2bd apt in Stockholm for 22000 SEK while making only 60k before taxes, after tax it was something like 38k. Yeah, sure, my kids daycare was subsidized and I didn't have to worry about my health insurance, but what I was left with after taxes and rent was barely enough for us. Tbh I even was behind 1500 SEK copay on daycare a couple of times because of how little money I had. We had to eat mostly ätsnart items from ICA, I couldn't afford to buy a bicycle, so I had to borrow one from a neighbor and fix it up, just to save some money on commuting because of expensive fares. The bicycle got stolen eventually. After one year our landlord booted us even though I asked them in advance to renew the contract, a friend of mine told me that this is because I would be eligible for första hand rent contract after living there for 2 years, so landlords never renew 2nd hand rent contracts. We couldn't find another place to live afterwards and had to rent an Airbnb for a while. I moved to Cleveland OH afterwards. I make 2 times more now while paying only 1,600$ for a 3bd house. Our landlord is begging us to renew the contract. We can afford a car. We live normal life now.
Welcome to Ohio!
Yeah I can see why it would be better. I expected better conditions on Sweden. That said still personally I would have probably tried somewhere else in Europe before America, that again that's just me.
Swede here, soon to be in the same situation. American salaries are very tempting. If you dont mind me asking, what kind of work do you do? And was it hard to score a gig there? Any education? Im very curious.
There are A LOT of disadvantages in the U.S in comparison to Sweden, but salary is not one of them. I'm a DevOps/Site Reliability Engineer, currently working full time for a midwest manufacturing company. I found the job thanks to networking, knowing a couple of people who was working for a startup that was acuired by the company I currently work for. Market is difficult right now, but it is still possible to find a well paying job. I have a bachelor degree in Sociology, so it is totally unrelated to my current job.
60k sek is about 5k euro right? Seems like a low salary for a devops tbh
I was told that most people don't make much more due to progressive taxes
Afaik, Sweden has basically 3 tears of income 0%, 32%, 32+20%. 60k is way into third category.
If you compare it to the European levels, it's like a entry level for an IT specialist, and people absolutely make way more later in their careers
Good pay, probably
But overall, sweden has better safety nets if you lose your job. Healthcare that doesnt bankrupt you, education for your children that doesnt cost anything, etc
For a "working solo" dude i guess it matters less. But if you move your whole family...