honestly at this point I can no longer tell who's a lib. at first I thought libs were american democrats, then I saw people calling centrists libs too, and recently I've seen people calling anarchists libs too. so I don't really know, but that's why I specified that I meant American liberal.

[–] kimjong_ill@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

okay so american "liberals" and "conservatives" are libs. "centrists" are libs. social democrats are libs. people who believe in things like "individual rights and freedoms" are libs. hence why anarchists are sometimes called libs - they are individualists & idealists.

[–] soronixa@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

so only the two ends of the spectrum, communists and fascists aren't, libs?

and if being a lib is undesirable, doesn't it mean "individual rights and freedoms" a bad thing in your view?

[–] kimjong_ill@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago

so only the two ends of the spectrum, communists and fascists aren’t, libs?

for the purpose of calling people libs on the internet, yes. reality is more nuanced.

doesn’t it mean “individual rights and freedoms” a bad thing

yes. individualism is a tool of the bourgeoisise. communists want "everything for the masses".

[–] aeroplain@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 years ago

\uj

It's a little bit more complicated than that. The "everyone I don't like is a lib" thing is mostly a meme. The reason why leftists hate liberals is that they generally support maintaining capitalism/imperialism, as well as their supposed tendency to both advertantly and indavertantly prop up fascists durring times of great political change ("scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds").

I'm not an authoirty on this, so I beg you to take everything I say with a heaping helping of salt. Here is a playlist of five ten-minute video essays about this.

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