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John Fetterman says he'll 'never understand' progressives who refuse to support Joe Biden
(www.businessinsider.com)
this post was submitted on 13 Sep 2023
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I'll vote for whatever candidate aligns with my views, I'm not playing the numbers game, that's not for me to play. I can and will vote for whoever I want and no one is going to convince me that I'm "throwing my vote away" by voting third party.
You know you are being closed minded and irrational when you say "no one is going to convince me of ____".
Way to keep yourself from growing as a person and learning new things!
I'm keeping myself from growing as a person because I don't want to be told I'm throwing my vote away if I don't vote D? Yeah, nah I'm not buying that one.
You are keeping yourself from growing as a person because you would rather block your ears than consider another person's perspective.
If you care about making good decisions, you should want to hear other perspectives and make (or revise) your decisions with as much information as possible. Instead, you've made up your mind with a bit of information, and refuse to hear more. Science, for example, adjust it's views based on what is observed. You are refusing to observe so that your current believe can be preserved.
It's not even about wanting to "vote D", I don't really care about that. It's about the intellectual dishonesty and laziness of being unwilling to ever change your mind about something to the extent that you push away anything that might make you stop being so lazy and dishonest.
So are you going to try to argue the initial point then or are you just going to go on and on to show how clever you are?
I can and will vote for the candidate who most closely aligns with my views, regardless of party.
I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to be so open minded about changing. I've thought about it a lot and I feel strongly about it. I used to think the other way but I've realized I've felt this way for awhile now. The problem is my verbage and honestly man, when I say "you can't convince me" in the comments I'm really probably just looking for someone to debate when it comes down to it..
"you can't convince me" doesn't sound like an invitation to debate. It sounds like a warning that debating that topic with you would be a waste of time because you won't listen anyway.
I can provide my justification for believing that voting for a 3rd party is a waste of a vote. Are you actually willing to be convinced if a sufficient argument is presented? I.e. are you retracting your "you can't convince me" statement? If not, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince the unconvinceable.
Bro, are you ever going to make your point? Or are you just going to keep talking about how I made mine?
No, I don't think I will. I asked you a direct question, if you will retract your statement of "no one can convince me" and you ignored the question. You can't even acknowledge the one thing that I've been calling you out on after I've repeatedly demonstrated the problem to you.
I don't think you will engage honestly so I have no interest in continuing a conversation.
I absolutely did acknowledge it. I said the problem was my verbage, which it is. We're going back and forth over what boils down to semantics. As far as I see it, you actually can't convince me anyways because you clearly don't have a very sound argument or else you would have made it by now.
How about instead of trying to scare or guilt people into voting for middle of the road, we allow rank choice and let people vote for who they want.
That'll never happen in America, too damaging to corporate interests.
We're stuck voting for shit heels who won't help working class folks for the rest of time.
"It's better than nothing" might as well be the Dems mission statement at this point.
Nothing is gonna change while the DNC and RNC control the US.
Agreed. It's why the DNC doesn't support any progressive candidates, they have no interest in progressive politics.
"allow rank choice" voters have to fight for it. Strategic voting on local and state level has gotten it in a small handful of places. But we don't have it federally, yet.