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Yes, Reddit has messaged mod teams and pressured them into reopening. So far I don't think there's a case of them forcing their own mod team in to replace striking mods, but it's absolutely on the table.
How is being a private sub in breach of their terms?
Seems they're spinning it as "If your sub is private you aren't moderating your community. If you aren't going to be an active mod, you are on grounds for dismissal" which is asinine, but it seems to be the way they're playing it.
ive never made my subs private, so if its private, people cant interact in the background? i just thought it meant whatever was happening behind the door, wasnt visible to the public?
and if thats the case, what, they are arguing, no you need to keep growing the sub, keep working for free to make us money?
seems like they wouldnt want to pay people to moderate every sub.
private means that only invited people can use the sub. this is allowed per reddit rules. however, the large subs went private not genuinely, but in protest to prevent people from using it. this falls under sub squatting and vandalism meaning a violation of the moderator code of conduct.
Theoretically they could invite some people and use the sub as normal just as a private sub, and they'd follow the rules fine. but that's not what happened.
Sonia sun squatting actually referenced in their terms of service?
It's under rule 4 "be active and engaged":
source.
A private community is not camped. It is active behind doors.
Is there any communication from Reddit actually saying thatβs the basis of taking over subs? Or is it just speculation?
Correct, but the protesting subs were not active privately, that's the point. they were shut down. there wasn't activity going on in private.
Yes this is what they said in the modmail.
Have you got a link to see it?
The subs I was on were active.
Sounds like a bunch of excuses.
see this reddit thread. they've been sending threats/warnings like this to mods about removing higher up mods in order to re-open subs.
it isn't in theory. but admins are saying it violates moderator code of conduct by vandalizing a community (which is against reddit rules). Private subs are allowed, but sub squatting and vandalizing are not. theoretically, they could just invite a few people and have a "low activity sub" but still engage as normal while keeping the sub silent. thus no vandalism occurred, nor squatting, but rather just a change in preference of the community (being more private/exclusive).
I don't think it's off the table, but I also don't think they'll have the resources to do that for very long at all or with many subs. Remember they are cutting staff, and having mods working for free en-mass is pretty crucial to their business structure.
True enough, but there are far more people who want to mod than there are subs to mod.
I'm sure that's the case as well. I'm not entirely convinced though that whoever would step into the mod role from the community would be suited to the role (on average).
With the number of eyes Reddit has on it every day I see it as being a huge target for malicious actors (read ad-bots, brigadiers, self-promotion, trolls) and as a sub grows it too can become somewhere those actors can post and comment with impunity; and have. I truly think that modding an even relatively popular sub with good tools is time consuming and mentally exhausting work. Take those tools away and it can become a nightmare in a hurry depending on the nature of the issue.
Whether someone from the community can just step into that role is a big dice-roll. They may be either unwilling or unable to keep the subs content on-topic and reign in bad behavior within he sub. Then again they may be perfectly suited to take up the mantle, only time will tell.
that would have to be one hell of a mod team