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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I don’t think people accept that America lost that war. They think it was a draw.

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I thought it was common knowledge that they lost, to be honest.

[–] cacheson@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

It is, but some people are weird about it.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Maybe among Millennials or GenZ, but I can assure you the Cold War was a propagandist wet dream.

[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In US schools they teach it as the US just withdrawaling due to cost and domestic pressure because teaching it as a loss would really tarnish the whole "we never lose wars, USA #1!" narrative.

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

Can confirm this. My teacher started sweating when I asked if that means Vietnam won. Didn't get an answer just a subject change and the redneck kids in class eyeballing me funny. Sorry fuckos your daddies raged quit the field. That's a loss. Git gud scrub 😂

[–] 1bluepixel@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

In US schools they teach it as the US just withdrawaling due to cost and domestic pressure

Also known as "losing." LOL

Most modern wars happen like this. Both sides commit until committing becomes untenable for one of the parties. That's pretty much the only path to victory for Ukraine, for instance.

[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 year ago

Technically the domestic/international pressure is the actual reason for the loss. The US had the capability to rule the ashes, but domestic and international pressure caused the withdrawal.

[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would consider Korea a draw. I wonder how much people conflate the two wars as they had similar objectives in the same world region.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that’s probably the case. But not defining the 2 wars could be intentional.

[–] bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you fail to achieve your goal, you've lost.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
[–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, the US was kicked out, but I don't know if I'd call what happened to Vietnam "winning" either. It's more accurate to say they outlasted the Americans.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That’s a win 🏆

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

It's a rage quit.