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EU vs Russia (lemmy.ml)
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[–] Sh3Rm4n@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But what should this context tell us? At the very least this is in no way any justification for russia starting a war against the whole Ukraine.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

At the very least it's clear that there were plenty of off ramps that could have avoided the war. Russia tried to find diplomatic solutions for eight years while both the west and their puppet regime in Ukraine refused.

Furthermore, the war is directly modelled on what NATO did in Yugoslavia where NATO recognized the independence of breakaway regions, then had them invite NATO for support on the pretext of genocide, and ran referendums for the regions to separate. Russia is just following the precedent established by the west here.

[–] Sh3Rm4n@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Russia tried to find diplomatic solutions for eight years while both the west and their puppet regime in Ukraine refused.

Not only Russia tried that. The USA, France Germany and most importantly Ukraine tried it as well. No one wanted that war to start (well Russia apparently eventually chose to do so anyway)

Furthermore, the war is directly modelled on what NATO did in Yugoslavia

"directly? I'm pretty sure that this is not true even though those things do look familiar on the surface. This is definitely an argument Russia is using why they started the war. But one wrong doing of NATO does not in any way justify a wrongdoing of Russia.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Not only Russia tried that. The USA, France Germany and most importantly Ukraine tried it as well. No one wanted that war to start (well Russia apparently eventually chose to do so anyway)

That is a lie. The west actively encouraged Ukraine to be belligerent. Ukraine failed to implement Minsk protocols for 8 years.

"directly? I’m pretty sure that this is not true even though those things do look familiar on the surface. This is definitely an argument Russia is using why they started the war. But one wrong doing of NATO does not in any way justify a wrongdoing of Russia.

Yes, directly. I'm going to guess that you have no clue regarding how NATO invaded Yugoslavia if you think these things are only similar on the surface. And this isn't just one wrong. It's been the continued policy of NATO to invade countries and encircle Russia. That's the threat that Russia responded to. NATO expansion was the root cause of this war.