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As part of his Labor Day message to workers in the United States, Sen. Bernie Sanders on Monday re-upped his call for the establishment of a 20% cut to the workweek with no loss in pay—an idea he said is "not radical" given the enormous productivity gains over recent decades that have resulted in massive profits for corporations but scraps for employees and the working class.

"It's time for a 32-hour workweek with no loss in pay," Sanders wrote in a Guardian op-ed as he cited a 480% increase in worker productivity since the 40-hour workweek was first established in 1940.

"It's time," he continued, "that working families were able to take advantage of the increased productivity that new technologies provide so that they can enjoy more leisure time, family time, educational and cultural opportunities—and less stress."

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[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

My point is that fighting within the system never works.

You know, there is a range of options available, between doing nothing, and full out anarchy/war.

And I've given you a real example of when it has worked. You've just ignored it, twice.

Louis Rossman on YouTube, go look him up, and watch his videos about helping farmers with the right to repair by hiring a lobbyist.

[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I didn't ignore it. I said what we achieve working within the system is a temporal concession and thus it's not actually a reliable and deep change. It's good, but it shouldn't be the only thing we do.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But don't you think that's the first step, to start in the system? To not ignore that option?

We have proof that it works (nothing is forever), that it's doable, so wouldn't that be the first step, instead of outside of the system extremism?

[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

I've seen countless times of things we need being completely ignored by the system. When it's inconvenient enough it will simply never get passed. We can fight for it, and win, but if the same system remains in place, once again, what we won was a concession that can and will be taken away at the nearest chance. You showing me an example of a rich youtuber followed by millions of people being able to do it doesn't change what the situation is like for regular people like you and me. You can do both if you want to, just don't think emailing a bunch of rich aristocrats is going to ever have a reasonable chance of being meaningful. Seriously, if you want to make real change, join an org.

Also, "extremism" just means things that go against the status quo. It's not a synonym for "bad".