And they can leave beehaw on a full-time basis. Let the admins decide how they want to run their instances, and if users don't like it, they can hop over to another. This is all a part of how decentralization is supposed to work. Of course it's messy and inconsistent.

There are plenty of beehaw users who agreed with defederation. After all, they had to essentially write an essay to be allowed in at all. I'm not surprised there are users who are okay with defederating. And again, the ones who aren't are free to make accounts on instances with open door policies, like shit or world. Beehaw admins probably prefer it that way anyway.

[–] Freesoftwareenjoyer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Did those users agree after the fact or were they asked first? If there was a vote and that's what their users choose then I take back what I said. My impression was that there wasn't any vote.

[–] HowdWeGetHereAnyways@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You seem to be thinking of instances like ISPs or something.

Instances are closer related to a house holding multiple parties in multiple rooms. People from other houses are welcome to join, but with the lack of moderation tools, if people from your house act like fools or assholes don't be surprised when your house is collectively barred.

The only reason people are so upset is because they have misframed what Lemmy is in their heads as some libertarian wet dream with no authority whatever. There is an authority. It is each instance admin.

[–] Freesoftwareenjoyer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If I create an email service, a lot of people sign up to use it and after some time I tell them I will no longer deliver emails to gmail.com, would that be alright?

[–] Fosheze@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That happens all the time with spam mail servers which is exactly the same problem beehaw was having. If you set up an email service that hosts spam bots and do nothing about it then the other email services will start blocking it.

Beehaw was being spamed with dick pics and other shit that was actively malicious. They could ban those profiles but then those users just went and made new profiles on lemmy.world or one of the other instances with open signup. Right now Lemmy has limited moderation tools so the only way to perminantly "ban" those users is to defederate with the instances that keep hosting them. They plan to refederate with those instances once better tools are in place to perminantly block users like that.

[–] twack@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would be more similar to you blocking gmail.com from sending you messagess because thier users keep flooding your server with spam.

This happens every day. Unfortunately a small group of assholes ruined it for all of us until tools are available to deal with them.

[–] Freesoftwareenjoyer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I don't know what kind of features they need, but I could have helped make the tools and I'm sure many other people would be willing to help if they only asked.

[–] kestrel7@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't this exactly how gmail treats a LOT of other email services? Email is a mess of spam and whitelists and is barely usable as a result, partially because there is no human moderation.

[–] Freesoftwareenjoyer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

You might be right about that. I hate email. I was just giving an example of providing a service that people rely on, then when a problem occurs cutting it off from the outside world instead of trying to fix it.

[–] minimar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why would you do that?

[–] Freesoftwareenjoyer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gmail users send a lot of hateful messages so I decide to cut off all communications with them.

[–] minimar@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a ridiculous comparison. E-Mail is a standard for communication. Lemmy is a social media. This is absurd. Social media needs moderation.

[–] Freesoftwareenjoyer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How come no other instance had to defederate? Especially ones that are bigger than beehaw.

[–] minimar@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Because they have different moderation guidelines and goals.