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The instance seems to be mostly right wing trolls. I know defederating is unpopular but I don't think much is to be lost in this case and it can save the mods some headaches.

Edit: the response on exploding-heads.com to my reporting of transphobia. Courtesy of the "second in command"

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[–] hikaru755@feddit.de 66 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Read up on the Paradox of Tolerance, please. "We must be better than them" is a call for total tolerance, which will inevitably lead to the disappearance of tolerance, and that cannot be allowed to happen. It is simply impossible to have a community where transphobes and trans people coexist happily together, and I'll choose the side that's not trying to hurt others (trans people, in case that wasn't clear) every day.

[–] passport@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Everyone censorship-enjoyer loves talking about the Paradox of Tolerance. Here's the part Popper said that they like to gloss over:

I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise.

[–] hikaru755@feddit.de 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nobody's talking about censorship. Anybody who wants to see that kind of stuff can still just go to the defederated instance without any problem, and nobody is arguing for that possibility to be taken away.

Also, no, I'm not glossing over that part. Instead, you seem to be glossing over this part of your own quote:

as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion

In an age where transphobic legislation is passed left and right at an alarming rate, you can not tell me in good consciousness that transphobia and similar intolerant ideologies are actually successfully being kept in check by public opinion, and rational argument does jack shit, as evidenced by, well, the whole of public discourse about the topic apparently not having any bearing on said legislation.

[–] maggoats@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

But certainly the proposed defederation isn't the same as suppressing utterance, considering there would remain a publicly accessible instance for that speech. This would be closer to keeping in check by public opinion, since it's the action of exterior social forces.

[–] mrmanager@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thats an interesting link, thats for sharing it.

I mean sure, I dont have a lot of faith in humanity in general. It seems the majority is unable to act in a mature way, so maybe you and the link is correct.

But I wish we would grow up as a species. We are acting like monkeys.

[–] bartimeo@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

No, we are acting like humans. But close enough ;-)