Strongly disagreed. Pre-Oblivion their games were great. Hoping for a return to engrossing stories taking place in a rich, expansive universe was not entirely unreasonable.

[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Morrowind was their best, but I would say 21 years on, it's really tough to be like "Yeah, this time they'll get back to their roots." No, it's time to move on. All the people who made those games what they were have retired, moved on, or died.

[–] Balinares@pawb.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, I'd argue that Daggerfall was their best game, story-wise, but Daggerfall is even older. And that's the point, isn't it? More time passed between Skyrim and Starfield than between Daggerfall and Oblivion. A lot can change in so many years, and I do believe that hoping for something new was not entirely unreasonable.

Then again, the keyword there is entirely, isn't it. I personally didn't expect very much from Starfield, and, also personally, I can't say I fully understand the amount of hype surrounding it.

[–] Cabrio@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

They could have given us something old, or something new, but they didn't. Just the same shit as last time, wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle.

[–] bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Surely there's an element there of rose tinted glasses? All of us were 21 years younger. There were less games coming out and they were harder to get for many of us.

You didn't need to work so damn much to keep your head above water, or were below working age altogether. It was a lot easier to find the time to really immerse yourself in the lore and it required a lot of reading both in-game and out.

It was also all new to us, truly novel experiences with every leap in gameplay, graphics or mechanics being applied to brains that weren't completely immune to dopamine and over-stimulated constantly.

I played Ultima VII so much that my friends and I would quote the game to eachother at school...we were fully immersed in it and it was bloody huge for its day.

To be honest I barely even try with these type of games anymore. I know it isn't going to satisfy me. I tend to enjoy mastering movement mechanics and skill based competitive games. Sure, they also release the same game every year repackaged, but there's usually enough of a tweak to movement mechanics and gun physics that it's a challenge to get gud again and I get a real kick out of genuine competition.

I played Starfield for several hours on the weekend and I do my best not to judge too harshly given what I've said above but I feel as though there will never be a game ever again that grabs me enough to make that genre worth paying the money. It's me that's changed moreso than the lore being watered down. "Damn you, Avatar!"

[–] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I grew up with Skyrim and mod it religiously - that’s where my nostalgia comes from. And even I’ll say that Morrowind completely blows it out of the water on nearly every front.

Skyrim’s a lot more accessible, and I love it for that, but that’s about it.

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd recommend you go back and read some critical reviews of Arena and Daggerfall. The complaints are exactly the same: the graphics engine is out of date, the characters are lifeless, the writing is just okay, the story is shallow, etc. Bethesda has scaled back the RPG mechanics since Morrowind, for sure, but their games ultimately have the same Bethesda DNA, for better or worse. For what it's worth, I'm enjoying Starfield at launch much more than Fallout 4 even now, updated, expanded and modded.

[–] Balinares@pawb.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My friend, I don't need to go read the video game history about Daggerfall: I wrote some of it. :)

And I stand by my statement. That game was the height of storytelling that came out of Bethesda in a bunch of small but important ways, although Morrowind is not far behind, in a somewhat different fashion. And there is a definite shift in the series from the moment Ted Peterson left the team. Patently, not a shift I am personally very fond of, but to each her own.

[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

I can't remember all that well, I was a child at the time, lol. I go back to Morrowind once in a while, and I do find the writing to be more immersive, as opposed to the more recent games where it's a series of linear, ham-fisted novellas. So far, Starfield seems much improved over Fallout 4 or Skyrim in that regard, but I'm not all that far in.