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So I was just looking through literature.cafe a bit, and came across this excellent comment chain by Janvier. It outlines the history and culture of Hexbear, and makes a very solid argument for defederating them.
TL;DR- Don't defederate Hexbear because they're a bunch of genocide-apologist authoritarians. Defederate them because they're annoying, and will burn out your moderators.
Personally I think it’s an extremely toxic community that represents the worst of the internet. They’re extremely set in their ways and provide no meaningful content or discussions on the platform. That’s totally fine for them but they can do whatever they want in their own safe space.
I would prefer them to be defederated mostly because I can’t block an entire instance.
This is in development, fingers crossed it could even come in the next version of lemmy.
I commented on here already about our instances interaction with hexbear. It's a disaster that led to somehow them defedarating from Blahaj for being not safe for their LGBT members even tho Blahaj is like one of the most accepting instance for LGBT people. Many of us were trying to ask our admin to defederate from them because those on our instance felt unsafe. Felt like a "no u" moment they tried to pull before we defederated them for not being safe for our members lol.
Then Blahaj started getting spammed by a new user who was calling a bunch of trans users anti trans. They also said our admins was anti trans even though she was openly trans. Then that user began spamming across lemmy how Blahaj and it's admin were anti-trans and should not be visited.
Also saw that user get a Blahaj user banned from lemmy.world even though nobody in that discussion was commenting on an lemmy.world community. It has a lot of shit so everything below is just that story.
What happened was another trans Blahaj user commented on a post on some 3rd instance and the OP of that post basically said "I know your reputation from elsewhere and your comment here proves your anti-trans reputation". The Blahaj user went wtf and then realized the OP was one of those commenting on the original trolls post and was basically saying the Blahaj user was anti trans. The Blahaj user was rightfully pissed and accused the OP of being an alt of that troll since they wrote in the same style as the original troll (I honestly was feeling the same as I read it all). The OP wouldn't reply and just stuff like " I refuse to reply to you" or "please don't talk to me" or "I respectfully ask you to not engage with me". It all felt trollish since that OP was the only who started the argument and now refused to engage after starting.
After the 3rd attempt at an reply , a lemmy.world admin came in saying that if the Blahaj user replied one more time to OP then they would be permanently banned from all of lemmy.world. Keep in mind this wasn't even on lemmy.world and the whole thing started because OP insulted a trans user by stating they were anti-trans. The Blahaj user was still pissed since she got insulted for saying she has the reputation of somebody who would hate everything she was and replied again. The original troll from way earlier came to the post & replied to her and tagged the lemmy.world admin saying they needed to be banned for being a chaser and replying after being told not to. Then the Blahaj user got banned.
It still feels so fucked that a lemmy.world admin would step into that 3rd instance and threaten the Blahaj user with loss of access to the biggest lemmy instance if she didn't ignore being called an anti-trans. It really helped show me the short comings of lemmy since every instances admin will probably just take what a user from their instance state as fact and ignore the other person.
Sorry for that long comment. It's just that I saw how hexbear will twist words in their favor like with claiming Blahaj isn't safe for their LGBT members and then strangely had new accounts show up calling trans Blahaj users as anti-trans and realized that it was just way too on the nose as where could these users have came from.
Wish they would defederate us again lol
We all laughed in Blahaj when they defederated first lol. It was so childish for them to block us for being unsafe right before we were about to do it lmfao. They tried so hard to change the narrative but it failed.
I feel bad for any instance that has to deal with them in a daily bases. It makes scrolling through lemmy annoying unless you block every fucking community from them.
Maybe we should encourage defederation from our end, that way we'll be safe from them since if they defederate us they can change their mind whenever they want and go back to spamming us if they are bored.
I believe they did defederate again but yeah we should on our end too
I'm still not seeing them in the blocked section on hexbear.net
But even so it would be a good idea for us to block them as well since leaving them unblocked means they can come back anytime they like.
Report every hexbear comment and let the mods know how you feel. Should send the message.
Could you fucking not? If they annoy you, block them. If they don't break any rules and you report them anyways, the only thing you'll achieve is annoying SJW moderators. At that point, you'll get banned before Hexbear gets defederated.
As a moderator in a different community, please DO report all malicious comments posted wherever they are
Moderators with a brain understands the purpose of the "I wasn't born yesterday rule"
I wasn't talking about malicious comments, I was talking about all comments made by users from a specific instance, wether they are malicious or not.
https://slrpnk.net/comment/2301708
Are you a mod?
I suspect they are coordinating to boost their comments in other communities/instances. Their fringe political views are always highly upvoted, I just find it suspicious. Many places have rules against brigading, so where I suspect it I will report it.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. But I still think it's good to communicate to the mods/admins that a lot of users do not like hexbear because they are disruptive in every community they visit.
Literally the kind of toxic behavior you are accusing them of.
Nice try troll
Sure bro. Pointing out that they're suggesting the exact definition of report abuse is "trolling."
Reporting != report abuse.
Their reporting is legitimate because the tankies actually are concern trolling, brigading and causing problems.
But we both know you won't admit that and will argue the point into the ground because you, yourself are concern trolling. Just how the game is played.
Basically every hexbear comment is disruptive and designed to provoke drama. They are not participating in good faith, and I suspect they coordinate to boost their fringe political views.
I think it's perfectly fine to report them if I suspect that.
They literally said "report every hexbear comment," but feel free to keep up the self righteous act.
That's because the entire instance is created to disrupt and nobody sane signs up there to participate in good faith
Go back to your no downvoting safe space
A bit misleading description of CTH on reddit, because they most certainly developed their obnoxious behaviour and jargon already back then, and they did very little to combat racism and fascism there precisely becuase their obnoxious behaviour was counter-productive to such goals (also there were other subreddits far more active and useful in combating fascism and bigotry on reddit such as r/againstallhatesubreddits, which did actual work on deplatforming fascists).
But other than that it is an apt description of their behaviour here and why they pose such a problem for lemmy in general.