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What would we need for a tracker/torrent site to exist in fediverse without danger? (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by damipereira@lemmy.world to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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As far as I understand if any fediverse instance decided to start having magnet links and stuff like that, eventually it would be taken down by DCMA notices and the like. But what could be done so a community like that could thrive?

Some questions:

  1. Would other instances that federate with it get in trouble? They can always feign ignorance.
  2. Could an intance which holds magnet links and trackers be backed up every day, so that as soon as one instance is taken down another one takes it's place immediately?
  3. Could an instance be owned annonymously? Can you register a domain and keep a server running somewhere without repercussions?
  4. Could a lemmy instance live in an onion domain, and still interact with the rest of the fediverse? Would that improve anything regarding the instance being taken down?
  5. What about running instances in countries that do not enforce piracy laws? Could someone in some random country that does not care maintain an instance, which all of the fediverse can access/comment/contribute?
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[–] Die4Ever@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

one thing to note is that I think posts and comments appear to live on the creator's instance, not the community's instance

for example if you click this button on my comment

it goes here https://programming.dev/comment/143911

[–] jsqribe@feedly.j-cloud.uk 3 points 1 year ago

If you didn't misspell not I would have thought this was a gpt comment.

[–] damipereira@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So if I'm on lemmy.world and I post to lemmytorrent.com, the post that contains the torrent data will be on lemmy.world, and lemmy.world might receive DMCA right? Maybe if there is a torrent site in the fediverse it should be read-only for outsider accounts, so that it can still be discovered.

[–] youronlyone@readit.buzz 3 points 1 year ago

Not really. Most fediverse software create a cache of content on their own servers to make it easier to display content for their local users.

So… this brings the issue of “hosting”.

For example, if I link to this Torrent file: https://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/stable/7.5.4/deb/x86_64/LibreOffice_7.5.4_Linux_x86-64_deb.tar.gz.torrent (LibreOffice 7.5.4), this link (not the file), and this entire comment, will have a copy in every instance that creates a local copy of content they receive.

(Some fediverse instance even locally host images to avoid fetching images again and again.)

Now, if we assume that a simple link is “illegal”, even if it is not piracy (like in the case of LibreOffice above), then all the instances which created a local copy of this reply might be put in trouble.

The fediverse is fast in fediblocking users and instances which tolerate activities that may place most instances into legal issues.