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You clearly must understand that Russia isn't doing anything different than NATO here. In fact, the whole playbook for Ukraine was copied from the Yugoslavia playbook NATO used. NATO recognized the independence of breakaway provinces in Yugoslavia and then used that as a pretext to invade. Russia did exact same thing with LPR and DPR following historical precedent NATO set. Given your unwavering support for NATO this shows what a hypocrite you truly are.
Furthermore, as I've already explained, Europe destroying itself economically does not hurt Russia in any way. If anything, this puts Russia in a much stronger position with regards to Europe. Stuff like steel mills are shutting down all across Europe already. This is going to be a problem for Europe building any sort of military, especially given that current stock piles have already been depleted in Ukraine.
The west literally overthrew an elected government in Ukraine in 2014 and has been funding and arming a regime that courts literal fascists there ever since.
No, it was a very reasonable proposal. Only a two bit propagandist would argue otherwise.
That's right I despise your genocidal alliance. Just because I'm stuck in a western country doesn't mean I have to support the murderous regime. I'd love to move out, but it's not as easy to uproot your whole life as some idiots seem to think.
Come next year you'll get to see everything you hold dear crumble because of idiotic policies you support.
China is the biggest winner, and China becoming the dominant geopolitical player can only be a good thing. Certainly a far most sane and stable country than Russia. However, claiming that China is the only country that funds Russia is just plain old misinformation. Russia has lots of trade with India, Iran, Turkey, and many other countries including most of Latin America. BRICS is rapidly becoming world's dominant economy and Russia is a the centre of it.
Meanwhile, the west doesn't actually produce much of anything and with cheap and abundant energy being the thing of the past, Europe is now starting to deinudstrialize further.
That's not what actually happened. It was a violent coup that overthrew the government people voted for. You're either utterly ignorant or much more likely a liar.
It was a negotiation, and Ukraine was close to accepting the terms. This would've preserved most of the territory Ukraine had before the war. After the west sabotaged this negotiation Ukraine's position has been worsening with every single month.
That is precisely where the current European policy is leading you. So, if you think that's bad, then you should be opposing it, but since you're also an idiot you support it. This is a self fulfilling prophecy.
We'll just revisit this in 6 months and see what tune you're singing then.
It's hilarious how you keep talking about some moral superiority here. US runs a literal torture camp on Cuban soil and causing a famine in Afghanistan by robbing them of their foreign assets after hunting people for sport there for past two decades. These are your best friends in NATO. If you cared about human rights even a tiniest bit you'd be against NATO, but you're just fine with war crimes as long as they serve you because you're a depraved fuck.
You keep on hoping, reality isn't going to bend the knee for you though.
NATO is objectively not the lesser evil. Nothing Russia has done to date even begins to compare to the atrocities NATO is responsible for. The war on terror alone eclipses any intervention by Russia anywhere. You openly support the biggest terrorist organization in the world, and keep trying to make some false equivalence here. It's pathetic.
Oh you mean like 90% of done strikes that kill civilians. Or perhaps deliberate destruction of civilian infrastructure in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Afghanistan that NATO has done?
I refuse to believe that anyone could so ignorant not to know these things. Which leaves only one possible conclusion.
It's not a one sided view of the situation. It's an objective fact. NATO has invaded and destroyed multiple countries in the past decades, and continues committing atrocities today. NATO is currently a direct sponsor of the genocide in Yemen. Russia is objectively the lesser evil here.
Provide examples of atrocities committed by Russia that come anywhere close to NATO atrocities. NATO literally murdered MILLIONS of people, and that fact that you think that's in any way comparable to the conflict in Ukraine really shows how utterly depraved you are.
NATO alliance is responsible for the invasion and destruction of multiple countries and murder of millions of people. Russia has done nothing that comes close to that. That's an objective fact.
NATO sponsors a literal genocidal regime in Saudi Arabia and is responsible for funding death squads, running coups, and overthrowing democratic governments all over the world.
Literal books have been written on how NATO/US is in fact directly responsible for killing civilians. The fact that you continue to deny this further illustrates how utterly morally bankrupt you are. Finally showing your true colors here.
just a couple of examples
Literally linked two books for you to read in the last comment. I linked you a source tallying the death toll from the war on terror earlier as well. I linked you an article showing how 90% of drone strikes in Afghanistan targeted civilians.
All these things are well documented and beyond any question. If you are genuinely unaware of them then you're far more intellectually impoverished than even I imagined.
People in countries with more rights bear more responsibility for the actions of their government. And the fact that NATO is responsible for some of the most horrific crimes against humanity does not reflect well on supporters of this genocidal alliance. That kind of shit cannot be supported or tolerated.
If you're claiming that Russia has killed over 6 million people then it's up to you to substantiate this fantastical claim. Russia has been involved in a few minor conflicts since the collapse of USSR, and these don't come anywhere close in scale to the wars NATO has started.
It's absolutely doing that both domestically, but especially so in countries that NATO subjugates. If you're comfortable with your personal freedoms being propped up by atrocities then you're the greater evil.