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[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 230 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Russian officials have said

So we don't know anything yet, got it

[–] sab@kbin.social 79 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was honestly pretty convinced he was on the plane, but now that the Kremlin feels the need to tell us I'm beginning to genuinely doubt it.

[–] hemmes@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Didn’t Prigozhin fake his death in the past?

Prigozhin: “First time?”

[–] geogle@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am quite sure he's dead, and they're responsible. There would be no value in not telling the truth here. If he were to pop up after such an announcement, it would destroy what little credibility they have.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

as someone who has personally known psychopathic narcissists, they lie without rational reason. the point is to lie. that's the end goal. the individual lie doesn't necessarily have an individual strategic gain. as far as i can tell, there are two purposes for constantly lying.

one, they get an internal sense of power. it's like a pleasurable reward for them similar to the feeling a hungry person gets when they eat food. their brains are wired that way. two, it serves to keep others constantly confused and dependent on the narcissist for reality because if everything is disordered, then others can't make sense of reality, so the narcissist has control over the narrative. think of Trump. lawyers have repeatedly argued successfully in court that he cannot testify because he cannot stop lying.

i'm not saying Putin is not lying in this case. what i'm arguing is that he doesn't need a clear individual gain from a lie to lie. it could be part of a greater deranged strategy. we just can't be sure.

[–] schroedingershat@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

We know they want their populace to think he's dead and that they're not trying to blame ukraine.

This actually narrows down the possibilities a fair bit.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Reminds me russian meme: How to determine Peskov(Putin's press secretary) lies? He opens mouth.

[–] lasagna@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

Was he seen alive recently? For all we know, that was just a pricey cremation.