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The future of back-end development (lemm.ee)

submitted 1 year ago by iByteABit@lemm.ee to c/programming@programming.dev

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What are your opinions on the future of back-end web development? Is the Java ecosystem going to wither away as more modern and better solutions are emerging and maturing?

If so, which language/framework and/or programming paradigm do you think will become the new dominant player and how soon?

Personally I would love to see Rust becoming a new standard, it's a pleasure to write and has a rapidly growing ecosystem, I don't think it's far away from overtaking Java. The biggest hurdle imo is big corporations taking a pretty big risk by choosing a relatively new language that's harder to learn compared to what has been the standard for decades.

Playing it safe means you minimize surprises and have a very large amount of people that are already experts in the language.

Taking the risk will definitely improve a lot of things given that you find enough people that know or are willing to learn Rust, but it also means that you're trading off Java flaws with Rust flaws. That's the case however with every big change, and Java flaws are a good enough reason to make a big change.

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[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is branching away from Java, even if it still uses it primarily. Unusually, off the top of my head, I happen to know more .NET developers working there than Java developers, and interestingly they develop one of the services on AWS. I know that there are significantly more Java developers, but I don't think we are in disagreement that there are projects that don't use Java.

[–] lysdexic@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is branching away from Java, even if it still uses it primarily.

I'm sorry to tell you, but I assure you it is not. Some small subset of teams uses non-java tech stacks but that's because they have very particular requirements, such as being android apps or running on Linux devices. The bulk of the company heavily standardized on Java and has no plans to ever move away from it.

Unusually, off the top of my head, I happen to know more .NET developers working there than Java developers, and interestingly they develop one of the services on AWS.

First of all AWS is not Amazon.

Secondly, I can tell you for a fact that C# is one of the rarest tech stacks at Amazon. Even Amazon's internal build system does not support it.

I'm afraid you're talking about stuff you know close to nothing about.

[–] TehPers@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I’m sorry to tell you, but I assure you it is not.

I'm sorry to tell you, but I assure you it is. Like I said, we both agree that Java is the predominant language, but at Amazon there are services written in Java, TypeScript, C#, and Rust to name a few.

First of all AWS is not Amazon.

First of all, AWS stands for "Amazon Web Services". It's not Amazon? Does Amazon not employ people to work on it? Perhaps you're thinking of amazon.com?

Secondly, I can tell you for a fact that C# is one of the rarest tech stacks at Amazon. Even Amazon’s internal build system does not support it.

Amazon's country-named build system supports building many different languages, including C++, Java, Rust, and yes, teams have even managed to make it work for C# projects. It isn't a Java build system, it's a multi-language build system.

I’m afraid you’re talking about stuff you know close to nothing about.

I find it funny how every single comment you post includes a personal attack. Since you seem incapable of backing up your own points with anything but insults, you can be the first person on my block list.

[–] sirdorius@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

lysdexic keeps talking about Amazon but has no clue how it works. Take it from someone who recently worked in AWS. You are right in all your points.