Even the worst human is still a human. You can't blame a person for lamenting the loss of a human life without losing your own humanity, in my opinion. Empathy saves lives.

[–] Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't be so naive. "Empathy saves lives"? You'd say that out loud to one of the innumerable Russian "soldiers" responsible for those vile crimes as they tried to do the same to you? That's what you'd tell your rapist/murderer in that moment of sheer panic and terror? Are you fucking serious?

Oh. No? Hunh. Seems pretty easy to have such a rosy perspective when it's so distant from your own safe little life. Go figure.

[–] MorrisonMotel6@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

My safe life? I'm a war veteran.

[–] mashbooq@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, you can't rape, torture, and murder without losing your own humanity. Humanizing monsters hurts the victims.

[–] Anemia@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They are not monsters though, they are very human. Doing horrible shit is as human as eating or shitting. I think most people here would do the same thing if they were raised in similar conditions. Most people don't even see (much less care enough to do something about) the injustices going on in their own society.

[–] mashbooq@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's ridiculous; there are millions of people raised in bad conditions who don't do the same. Humans are inherently pro-social; original sin isn't a thing. They are monsters.

[–] Anemia@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not saying that it's especially bad conditions, more like indoctrinating conditions. It's not like germany had very bad conditions when they started ww2 either.

But if you don't think it's a problem with the society and culture then the only real common denominator is ethnicity. Which kind of means that ought to be genocided when russia eventually falls.

[–] yata@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most people don’t even see (much less care enough to do something about) the injustices going on in their own society.

For fucks sake, what an incredibly disingenous whataboutism attempt.

Also since you are on about rationalising the actions of Russian soldiers, this is an actual invasion of another country we are talking about. These people are actively participating, whether they wanted to or not. For everyone of them killed chances are innocent civilian Ukrainians will not get murdered by them, have their homes destroyed by them or have loved ones killed or injured by them. You know, the actual innocent victims of this completely unnecessary invasion. Your rationalisation goes both ways.

[–] Anemia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I don't think that Im rationalizing, more like the opposite and saying that most people are similarly irrational, there's no evil-gene that just they have.

That said, if they take up arms and go to kill innocent people then they obvilusly need to be put down. Similarly to how a dog trained by a dog fighter might need to be put down even if it's just a pawn in someone elses twisted game. So yes these russians have to be killed in self defence until they leave.

All I'm saying is that i always find it a bit rich that people act as if they would always do the right thing in similar circumstance.