We won't be able to see any beehaw.org comments/posts on other instances, so we will miss out on some comment threads and posts. It could be good to be able to see them and interact with the other users there even though beehaw.org users won't see any of our content.

Summary

Overall, I think it is better not to defederate, but simply unsubscribe from all of their communities (and as we no longer get posts from their instance, with time these will cease to appear on our 'front page').

beehaw.org users already can't see our posts/comments anywhere so it's not like defederating would change their experience in any way, so it wouldn't really be retaliation and would just limit the content available to lemmy.world users.

What do you think?

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[–] root@u.fail 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This whole defederation situation seems like putting the power in the hands of the wrong people.

Users should choose what they want to see/interact with. Maybe subs/mods. Not entire servers imho.

If certain subs on beehaw want to restrict access, fine because users choose to participate. If users want to restrict themselves or control their own experience, fine because it only impacts them. But when it's done at a server level you have given too much power to people that aren't part of your community.

Or maybe I'm wrong.. I'm new

[–] jcg@halubilo.social 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, Beehaw administrators said in their post that this was not really on moral or ethical grounds but just about it being really hard to moderate an influx of users from another instance. They have their registration behind an application for a reason, after all. Having a giant instance with open registration have free reign on their community kind of defeats that purpose. They also said the defederation isn't meant to be permanent, but rather it's a stop gap solution until there's better moderation tools.

[–] Lols@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

users do have that choice, by making a new account on any other instance or maintaining multiple

[–] Gatsby@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To simplify it as much as i can, defederation should be read only. Not if(in our group/(then)they have access

The instance itself shoud be able to say it does not want content created from a subset of the internet. (Personally Its not my first choice as a freedom of speech advocate. But for them to delcare who is welcome to talk in their house is a decent compromise.)

To benefit the federation as a whole, the information and conversations taken place there should be available to the whole of the hive.

The mods could have their pie not needing more hands to manage the influx, the fediverse would have their pie with more content as a whole. ie more information available to more people at a loss of fewer availible accounts with acces to comment within restricted instances.

Defederation to me == we cant moderate the collective to our standards.

We cant moderate the collective to our standards =/= IF Y'ALL BADDIES FUCKING READ OUR SECRETS WE'LL DO SOMETHING NAUGHTY

We have the technology to find a middle ground.